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hello everybody how is everyone on this

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wonderful sunday

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uh the last sunday before christmas hey

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how is everyone good to see so many

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familiar faces in the live chat we are

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actually just waiting for melinda i'm

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not sure if she's running late i've just

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sent her a message but

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yeah we'll get there don't worry guys so

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yeah let's just see what's going on in

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the comments linda thompson good to see

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you

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and she says i'm sure here melinda gets

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respect for her years of research

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dedication and experience in these

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topics absolutely

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she deserves as much respect as we can

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give she is an awesome awesome lady

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strafe wilson

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tom delong tweeted christopher sharpe's

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article today liberation times well done

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that man yeah that's pretty epic isn't

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it yeah

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chris has been doing some great work i

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know like louis elizondo has retweeted

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his articles

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as is chris mellon now tom delong so

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melinda tends to run late i've noticed

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that before bless her

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but we'll get there we'll get there and

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she has just popped in so

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let me just bring melinda in

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melinda you're on mute there we go

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i can't hear

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not hearing

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can you hear me can you hear me i can't

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hear you

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okay um

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sorry bear with me

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i can't hear you no

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if he if she can check her connections

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you're muted now

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you're muted

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let me message melinda on

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message i'll send you a message okay

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there we go i can hear can you hear me

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yes i can finally yes

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how are you technical problems sorry i

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was you guys i was having all sorts of

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technical things with trying to get my

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computer up and running see i i come to

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my office to do these because

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long story short the internet's better

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so so um but it's uh getting in here to

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do it and everything between traffic and

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then hang to get my laptop up and

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running is like ah

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no problem at all sorry was it three

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after okay well i'm not not too bad

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no you're absolutely fine and thank you

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so much i'm so glad we're here today

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because we've tried to arrange this a

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couple of times and we've finally done

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it yes yes here i'm going to turn on

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another light and hear a little better

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lighting here we go

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no problem

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while melinda does that i'm just going

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to say this is actually um part of

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contact week as arranged by james ian

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doley of engaging the phenomenon uh he's

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put out a lot of good videos over on his

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channel as has ryan robbins aka ufo

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jesus over on his channel post

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disclosure world so go and check out

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both those channels for other content

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relating to contact week the links are

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below in the description

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and so yeah this is like the final day

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of contact week the 19th it's been going

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since the 12th and here we are with

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melinda so that's right that's right

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well i'm excited to be here and uh

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gosh um let me see today i listened to

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the panel that ryan

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and james c and doley did

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well apparently they did it yesterday

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but it just got posted today yeah and i

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was listening to most of that and it was

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very good uh

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james c and juliet actually called me

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and said you know had tried to call me

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to get me to be on it he had asked me a

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bunch of times i said yes and then i

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didn't hear from him for days well all

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of a sudden the morning of the panel

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he's calling me i have laundry going the

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washing machine going i'm doing dishes

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in the kitchen with all that water

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running i didn't hear the phone

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and it was like an hour later

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when i noticed that i had missed the

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phone call and meanwhile it was already

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up and going so i otherwise i would have

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been on that and listening to it i wish

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i had been because i had quite a few uh

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things i would have said for sure but

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that's all right they did a great job

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and uh it wasn't meant to be because i

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it was like an hour into it by the time

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i realized he'd been calling me and he

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hadn't given me a time it wasn't like oh

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we're gonna do it at this time you know

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anyways and he apologized

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later when i did talk to him but it

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wasn't meant to be there you go so i'm

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so glad though vinnie to be here with

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so we could i mean this is something we

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chatted about before um

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you could actually be here for six hours

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if we covered a lot of the things that

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you could talk about because you

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cover i can hear you okay have you lost

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yeah it broke yeah i lost you for a

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little while there so if you repeat what

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you said i don't know why i lost you for

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a minute

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i was just saying if we

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if we covered everything that i'd like

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you to talk about we could be here for

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like six plus hours because obviously

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you talk on the working groups the my

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labs and yeah many other things but

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we're here today to really talk about

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contact in your abduction experiences

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um so hopefully you know we'll we'll

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have you back another time to cover

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those other topics

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oh sure i mean i know we originally

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talked about the history of the working

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group and then we talked about doing

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mill labs

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and then we said okay it's contact week

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decision made

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i love it you know like i said i'm so

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glad

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might have a little delay here so i'm

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going to try not to talk over you um

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and uh but yeah i'm just thrilled to be

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here and and we'll go wherever you

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wherever you want to take it um you know

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when you said we could go on for six

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hours i i heard the uh the uh over seven

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i listened yesterday i had a millionaire

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things i was supposed to get done and i

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got caught up in it and

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next thing i know i pretty much listened

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all that i listened to some early and

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then and then the you know later in the

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day the rest but

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anyways it was it was really fun to hear

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you guys do that and and um

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you were so cute at the end you're like

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we're sharing the love in the community

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one of those things you know sometimes

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sometimes it gets things get a bit

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heated and that and yeah so sometimes

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it's just nice to show a bit of love and

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appreciation for everybody so that's

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right yeah that's right that's right

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well yeah it's it's it's important gosh

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this lighting in here is just not

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cutting it but that's the way it is oh

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abduction contact discussion

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i'd like to just talk or for you to just

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give us a little bit of information on

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the ufo sightings tools that you run if

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that's okay

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yeah yeah sure um

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i'm always good for talking about it you

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know sometimes when i do interviews and

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panels people get

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mad and make comments like oh you're you

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know you're plugging your thing but you

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guys it's what i

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it's not only what i do all the time

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people having sightings all the time

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people can't wrap their head around

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you know when i when i say what i'm

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about to say which is

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i just completed tour so we just had two

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i'm this close to fifteen hundred i was

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thinking of two

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thousand recently but i'm but i gotta

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that'll be at least a year from now but

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but yeah you know coming up on fifteen

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hundred but but like i said one thousand

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that's a lot it's a total of about

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i i just conservatively did the math and

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you guys extremely conservative is to

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say it's 94 or 9 500 people that i've

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taken out you know and that's conserved

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because i've done a lot of big groups

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and i average a certain amount on all

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the tours that i do and

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see sightings every time this area is a

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hot spot people say okay that can't be

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and i do talk all about satellites and

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make sure people know all about

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satellites so we're able to rule them

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out as well as planes and helicopters

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and drones and i cover all that in fact

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some people get mad that i cover too

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much of it in the beginning i talk for a

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half hour before we even start looking

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because i want people to know all those

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things because i say you only have a

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unknown or unidentified when and only

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when you can rule out all the identified

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then you're left with an unknown or an

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unidentified can you hear me okay you

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froze up again what is going on yeah i

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can hear you fine yeah no problem you

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keep you glitch a little bit but it

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sounds great so we're just gonna roll

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i don't know why it could be just i'm

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doing it at my office here at the center

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for the new age where i do my tours out

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of and it could just be we have um a lot

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of people here on the internet or

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something right now which will sometimes

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slow it down um and yet it's still

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better than what i have at home so there

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we go

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um so let me see here okay great great

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thank you for understanding and i

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apologize for everyone for that but i

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cannot you know it is what it is

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and but then we've seen

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so we always have sightings and i tell

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people we've seen full structure which

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is stuff close enough you know to see

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like you know

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this hovering in the air and we'll get

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you know in all its detail you know when

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you see metal when you see metal full

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structure

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hang on my computer's doing something

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weird gus

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i hate it once i get on and it wants to

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load and change and do all this stuff

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you know

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god it was to just do everything it's

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like stop

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i'm constantly having to tell it no bad

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computer no

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anyway sorry so going back to so

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um yeah we've seen just so much stuff uh

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we've seen full structures i started to

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say

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um the last one was just about two weeks

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ago so we've now or it's bad weather and

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stuff probably like three weeks but

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about three weeks ago

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uh clients and i and we had a fully

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structured craft sign that was

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structured craft citing tour

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number 37

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is that right okay but

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we have seen sometimes more than one

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structured object so sometimes there's

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been two in the sky at once or one and

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ten minutes later another on the same

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tour or an hour later yet the same two

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or another so we currently hold it 58

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structured craft

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now granted that's between that's out of

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1400

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you know

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and 60 tours but um

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but all the air times we're still seeing

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stuff is i i tell people it's still

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structured it's just up too high to see

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the shape you know it's just it's just

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up too high but when you see things

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flying in formations when you see things

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make right angle turns zigzags when you

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see formations make a right angle turn

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we flash at stuff with a laser pointer

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we get it to flash back at us

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there's nothing on a satellite that can

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flash back of the laser yes i cover all

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about iridium flares but that's actually

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a rare event and the apps tell you when

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it's going to happen so

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but when we have stuff

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with a delayed flash only after if we

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flashed out it we flash at it it flashes

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back we flash at it it flashes back we

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wait a while we've even tested it waited

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a long time flash again it flashback you

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know that kind of thing so

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i've learned so much through the process

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i've learned so much about the public's

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knowledge or lack of knowledge on the

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subject um

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you know uh one major thing that

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you know

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i'm friends with dan sheehan uh long

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story short who's the lawyer of course

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for lou

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and i've been meaning to i just had a

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conversation really recently dan but did

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not bring this up because we had limited

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time and we had other things we had to

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talk about i kicked myself for

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not getting an update from lou so i

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could be sharing that

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when i'm doing the the various

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uh you know we're discussing like i said

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something in particular but i i've been

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thinking about and i want to relay

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to to lou or even be able to talk to him

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directly which i never have but at least

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relate through dan to say

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the public aware the public is not aware

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of what's going on with the disclosure

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stuff yeah we're celebrating this field

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as well we should it's a huge

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milestone

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historic moment in ufology no doubt

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but it's not i i take out over 9000

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people as i said on my tours for the

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last four years i've been bringing this

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up this year because

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stuff as you will know i know you're on

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this you know we all know listening

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right now

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is breaking like daily on this subject

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i mean sometimes day

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at least weekly

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and so i'm

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nope

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can you still hear me you've just

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seemed to have frozen and gone silent

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all the joys of live streaming

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oh and she's gone well hopefully melinda

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will jump back in soon just want to say

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thank you linda thompson for joining and

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becoming a member of the channel i

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really appreciate that that really means

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a lot thank you

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um so while we wait let's just check

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through some messages if anyone's got

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any questions you can pop them in

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capital letters or

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if you're feeling generous super chat is

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always available but obviously i don't

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expect anybody to to do that

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strafe when she sees the sighting does

389
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she collect the data published move on

390
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that's a great question

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when she pops back up i will certainly

392
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ask her that because yeah that you know

393
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she's having so many sightings

394
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it'd be good to collate such data and

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and then report it on to somewhere

396
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oh laura sosa thank you so much for the

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let's see let's see

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apologies guys

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what i will do while we're waiting is

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let's have a look

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at

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melinda's website where's it going there

403
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there we go god i hate when technical

404
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stuff happens it's like don't worry

405
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the whole point of doing it here is

406
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because the internet's better but no i'm

407
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probably probably right now everybody

408
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here with the computer computers on it

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or something it's just like this is nuts

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so sorry no no no

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if it's on my end i mean it just

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suddenly bumped us off and if if that's

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my end but it probably is

414
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i think it might be i've got i have

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quite a strong hard-wired connection

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but don't worry it happens

417
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yeah i'm so sorry

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that's so frustrating but luckily i was

419
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able to come right back in you know

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uh anyway so sorry everyone where was i

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so so my thing is going to relay to loot

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look

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and to chris

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dan also talks all the time to say look

425
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you guys the words not getting out there

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to the public i know you're doing a lot

427
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of

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interviews yeah you're doing some

429
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mainstream sure but they're doing a lot

430
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of interviews speaking to the the choir

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to us which is fine

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but i but they need to get the word out

433
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to the public more the public is not

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aware my clients are people who say oh i

435
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follow disclosure

436
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and they say oh the tic tac wasn't that

437
00:16:53,749 --> 00:16:52,399
in 47 you know jokingly say that but but

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i mean you know i've had people go oh

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you mean like roswell you know and i'm

440
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like well no i mean like

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are you following the gillibrand

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amendment and they have no clue when i

443
00:17:05,669 --> 00:17:02,959
bring that up i have i've had maybe two

444
00:17:07,429 --> 00:17:05,679
clients say oh yeah i know what that is

445
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you know and so

446
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you guys we we have a lot to do to get

447
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the word out yes we're celebrating it's

448
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a huge thing it's

449
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a huge

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store

451
00:17:23,909 --> 00:17:19,839
moment for the field no doubt but

452
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oh

453
00:17:30,470 --> 00:17:27,360
we're losing her again

454
00:17:33,909 --> 00:17:31,990
it might be easier if you just stream

455
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without the video if you stop your cam

456
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oh i'm here vinny are you i'm sorry

457
00:17:45,350 --> 00:17:43,679
you're frozen on my screen i can't see

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00:17:52,150 --> 00:17:45,360
you

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oh no

460
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oh dear

461
00:18:01,430 --> 00:17:59,600
if you can hear me um it might be easier

462
00:18:11,270 --> 00:18:01,440
just to stream audio only so just click

463
00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:18,789
you hear me

464
00:18:24,070 --> 00:18:21,669
yeah i'm not sure

465
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there we go oh she's gone i'm just gonna

466
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send melinda a message guys in the the

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and

468
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we'll do audio only

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i'm here are you here

470
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yeah okay it might be easiest at the

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bottom if you look on the the tabs at

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the bottom it says stop cam and we can

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we can do audio only and that should

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stop any

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well let's let's keep trying this

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because i know people prefer it this way

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but yeah no problem oh god how

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frustrating i hope it doesn't keep doing

479
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it i'm like i mean i do interviews all

480
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the time and this doesn't normally

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happen maybe it'll happen once during a

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thing not constantly this is not the

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norm so

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no problem at all okay before you

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continue just going to give a quick

486
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shout out to walker dale thank you so

487
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much for the the five dollars he says

488
00:19:13,510 --> 00:19:12,080
thank you both for your great work in

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this field we are lucky to have good

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people like you too thank you so much

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that's uh

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yes thank you wacker for for supporting

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him that's that's fantastic

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um

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and uh yeah

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uh and for your nice comments too um

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so

498
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yeah yeah you know like i was saying is

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kept to directing me as i'm trying i

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want to relay to look you need to get

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the word out into chris too because

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the public doesn't know and

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and

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i i think they need to do more

505
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mainstream stuff i know they're part of

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a team they're not alone

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why aren't we hearing from the other

508
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team members the other people involved

509
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um

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again the public's not getting it but i

511
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also

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am quick to say too the public's not

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watching any news or information people

514
00:20:02,630 --> 00:20:00,480
are proud of the fact they're uninformed

515
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they'd i don't watch the news i don't

516
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read newspapers i don't listen to

517
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anything and they're proud pardon me you

518
00:20:10,390 --> 00:20:08,000
guys but if you're saying that you're

519
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proud of your stupidity because you

520
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cannot be an informed citizen an

521
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informed voter

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without

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00:20:21,029 --> 00:20:18,400
knowing where things are even if you

524
00:20:23,830 --> 00:20:21,039
disagree with them then you vote

525
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accordingly okay and so you have to

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watch all the mainstream and all the

527
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alternative stuff to know what's being

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said but people are very proud of how

529
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uninformed they are i don't read or

530
00:20:38,789 --> 00:20:36,080
watch the news well guess what all those

531
00:20:40,470 --> 00:20:38,799
people and here in the us it's a big

532
00:20:43,430 --> 00:20:40,480
thing okay

533
00:20:45,270 --> 00:20:43,440
all those people

534
00:20:47,510 --> 00:20:45,280
aren't clued in on this they have no

535
00:20:48,950 --> 00:20:47,520
idea this is going on and when you talk

536
00:20:51,190 --> 00:20:48,960
to them even though they save an

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interest in the subject they're you guys

538
00:20:55,510 --> 00:20:53,760
the fear of ridicule is alive and well i

539
00:20:57,430 --> 00:20:55,520
get it from all my clients they're

540
00:20:59,669 --> 00:20:57,440
afraid of what their co-workers their

541
00:21:01,510 --> 00:20:59,679
family their friends are gonna say about

542
00:21:03,830 --> 00:21:01,520
this their neighbors

543
00:21:05,350 --> 00:21:03,840
the fear of ridicule is alive and well

544
00:21:06,789 --> 00:21:05,360
and then i just heard on that panel

545
00:21:07,909 --> 00:21:06,799
today did you hear vinnie at all that

546
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were you watching

547
00:21:10,789 --> 00:21:09,840
i started watching it before we did this

548
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and i'm going to finish it off

549
00:21:14,390 --> 00:21:12,880
afterwards okay

550
00:21:16,230 --> 00:21:14,400
well they talk about well our there's

551
00:21:18,789 --> 00:21:16,240
this question ryan brings up are there

552
00:21:20,710 --> 00:21:18,799
less abductions or abductions happening

553
00:21:22,549 --> 00:21:20,720
you know is is it the numbers down we're

554
00:21:24,070 --> 00:21:22,559
not hearing about as much

555
00:21:25,350 --> 00:21:24,080
i know why you're not hearing about it

556
00:21:27,110 --> 00:21:25,360
actually the numbers are up when you

557
00:21:30,230 --> 00:21:27,120
actually talk to the major abduction

558
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researchers the numbers are up and we're

559
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having more and more of people with

560
00:21:35,270 --> 00:21:34,000
their families involved where advocates

561
00:21:36,149 --> 00:21:35,280
are old enough that they have kids it's

562
00:21:38,470 --> 00:21:36,159
happening to their kids now they're

563
00:21:40,630 --> 00:21:38,480
having grandkids it's happening to them

564
00:21:42,070 --> 00:21:40,640
okay you guys this is not going away

565
00:21:44,390 --> 00:21:42,080
it's a huge thing why are you not

566
00:21:47,270 --> 00:21:44,400
hearing about it because the fear of

567
00:21:49,909 --> 00:21:47,280
ridicule is alive and well

568
00:21:51,029 --> 00:21:49,919
because i hear it from my clients 9 000

569
00:21:53,830 --> 00:21:51,039
over

570
00:21:56,149 --> 00:21:53,840
on every tour i also do readings all the

571
00:21:59,830 --> 00:21:56,159
time i hear from my reading clients you

572
00:22:01,830 --> 00:21:59,840
know it people are afraid of what other

573
00:22:03,270 --> 00:22:01,840
people are going to think

574
00:22:06,789 --> 00:22:03,280
and so much

575
00:22:08,630 --> 00:22:06,799
damage was done by the ridicule factor

576
00:22:11,190 --> 00:22:08,640
you know i guess

577
00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:11,200
give you know give one win to the cia i

578
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:13,200
think they crack created that originally

579
00:22:17,510 --> 00:22:15,120
and and

580
00:22:18,710 --> 00:22:17,520
and it's like you guys p people are so

581
00:22:21,750 --> 00:22:18,720
afraid of what other people are going to

582
00:22:24,230 --> 00:22:21,760
think it's it's amazing

583
00:22:27,110 --> 00:22:24,240
that senators and congressmen have

584
00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:27,120
jumped on board with this given

585
00:22:31,510 --> 00:22:29,440
what they're risking with their careers

586
00:22:33,510 --> 00:22:31,520
and reputations

587
00:22:35,750 --> 00:22:33,520
based on that

588
00:22:37,669 --> 00:22:35,760
but it makes you go okay what happened

589
00:22:40,149 --> 00:22:37,679
in those closed door sessions

590
00:22:42,950 --> 00:22:40,159
that made them have enough evidence that

591
00:22:45,270 --> 00:22:42,960
convinced them to move forward on this

592
00:22:47,510 --> 00:22:45,280
you know who all was testifying well we

593
00:22:50,390 --> 00:22:47,520
know some of those things like

594
00:22:52,630 --> 00:22:50,400
you know like john burroughs and and

595
00:22:53,990 --> 00:22:52,640
bledsoe and you know people that were so

596
00:22:55,590 --> 00:22:54,000
it's like okay what else were they

597
00:22:57,669 --> 00:22:55,600
hearing that made him go oh my god this

598
00:22:59,190 --> 00:22:57,679
is we need to pay attention to this and

599
00:23:01,830 --> 00:22:59,200
it changed

600
00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:01,840
the whole attitude about it but again

601
00:23:06,149 --> 00:23:04,080
that's not getting out to the public

602
00:23:08,149 --> 00:23:06,159
and when you the information that they

603
00:23:09,830 --> 00:23:08,159
got that changed their minds needs to be

604
00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:09,840
shared with the public to change the

605
00:23:13,750 --> 00:23:11,760
public's minds

606
00:23:15,110 --> 00:23:13,760
the public ends up going we don't get

607
00:23:16,950 --> 00:23:15,120
why they're doing this of course they

608
00:23:19,669 --> 00:23:16,960
wouldn't because they haven't been given

609
00:23:21,590 --> 00:23:19,679
any of the evidence for why they did

610
00:23:22,549 --> 00:23:21,600
what they did

611
00:23:23,510 --> 00:23:22,559
you know

612
00:23:26,549 --> 00:23:23,520
and

613
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:26,559
talk about it because i'm because on

614
00:23:31,110 --> 00:23:28,799
that end they're being told stop talking

615
00:23:33,669 --> 00:23:31,120
about it and then they have their ndas

616
00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:33,679
that say stop talking about it

617
00:23:38,230 --> 00:23:36,240
and so what you end up with is the

618
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:38,240
public being completely uninformed

619
00:23:42,789 --> 00:23:40,080
wondering what's going on and seeing it

620
00:23:43,990 --> 00:23:42,799
as they is even people in this field i

621
00:23:45,990 --> 00:23:44,000
have a friend who's a full-time

622
00:23:47,430 --> 00:23:46,000
researcher in this field and is one of

623
00:23:49,510 --> 00:23:47,440
the most up people on the subject you

624
00:23:50,710 --> 00:23:49,520
could meet and she says

625
00:23:52,950 --> 00:23:50,720
and we're hearing this from other people

626
00:23:54,549 --> 00:23:52,960
you know it this is blue book all over

627
00:23:56,710 --> 00:23:54,559
again

628
00:23:58,710 --> 00:23:56,720
we're not going to get anything

629
00:24:01,590 --> 00:23:58,720
this they're using this to bury it

630
00:24:03,350 --> 00:24:01,600
further we're hearing people say that

631
00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:03,360
well how do we keep that from happening

632
00:24:05,269 --> 00:24:04,400
is you

633
00:24:06,789 --> 00:24:05,279
me

634
00:24:08,870 --> 00:24:06,799
certainly everyone like you and i you

635
00:24:11,269 --> 00:24:08,880
know like you with a public format

636
00:24:12,870 --> 00:24:11,279
to educate people

637
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:12,880
and to increase your audience size

638
00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:14,880
market advertise do whatever to get the

639
00:24:19,269 --> 00:24:16,880
word out there we're all talking to the

640
00:24:21,269 --> 00:24:19,279
choir we're all talking to each other

641
00:24:23,990 --> 00:24:21,279
which is great it's a very active

642
00:24:26,149 --> 00:24:24,000
twitter community wonderful it's not

643
00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:26,159
getting out there to the public

644
00:24:28,470 --> 00:24:26,960
um

645
00:24:30,630 --> 00:24:28,480
a wave sold thank you for the ten

646
00:24:32,470 --> 00:24:30,640
dollars nathan it raises a good point

647
00:24:34,230 --> 00:24:32,480
here always great to see talk of how we

648
00:24:36,870 --> 00:24:34,240
can bring this conversation to a larger

649
00:24:40,230 --> 00:24:36,880
audience but what talking points should

650
00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:40,240
we focus on for conversation starters

651
00:24:43,430 --> 00:24:42,080
well it's it's fine you should say that

652
00:24:44,470 --> 00:24:43,440
i mean

653
00:24:47,269 --> 00:24:44,480
okay

654
00:24:49,029 --> 00:24:47,279
let's say with the subject overall and

655
00:24:50,070 --> 00:24:49,039
then i'll talk about abduction and

656
00:24:52,310 --> 00:24:50,080
contact

657
00:24:54,070 --> 00:24:52,320
cool okay because that actually gets to

658
00:24:55,750 --> 00:24:54,080
i told you i had an amount announcement

659
00:24:57,909 --> 00:24:55,760
so that's a perfect

660
00:25:01,909 --> 00:24:57,919
inroad into into that

661
00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:01,919
okay so starting with the ufo subject

662
00:25:04,630 --> 00:25:03,120
overall

663
00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:04,640
it's going to sound boring as hell but

664
00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:06,240
to bring the public up to speed it's got

665
00:25:10,870 --> 00:25:08,080
to be about the evidence

666
00:25:12,549 --> 00:25:10,880
and the history the historical cases

667
00:25:14,149 --> 00:25:12,559
because they're not getting that in this

668
00:25:16,149 --> 00:25:14,159
disclosure thing if they're falling at

669
00:25:18,710 --> 00:25:16,159
all but most aren't

670
00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:18,720
i mean like no one is but us truth be

671
00:25:23,269 --> 00:25:20,480
told but so

672
00:25:24,789 --> 00:25:23,279
so and yet when i say us yeah okay

673
00:25:27,669 --> 00:25:24,799
that's maybe

674
00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:27,679
10 000 people that's great

675
00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:29,360
we guys we got to get this out to 10

676
00:25:34,149 --> 00:25:31,760
million people or better yet worldwide

677
00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:34,159
10 billion people you know so how do we

678
00:25:37,669 --> 00:25:36,240
do that okay so

679
00:25:39,350 --> 00:25:37,679
but

680
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:39,360
so like i said it's gonna sound boring

681
00:25:44,310 --> 00:25:41,039
as hell but where we start is the

682
00:25:46,390 --> 00:25:44,320
evidence you you gotta talk even with

683
00:25:48,950 --> 00:25:46,400
even with abduction and contact you know

684
00:25:49,909 --> 00:25:48,960
but particularly ufos all over all i

685
00:25:51,909 --> 00:25:49,919
said

686
00:25:53,430 --> 00:25:51,919
the evidence meaning

687
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:53,440
um

688
00:25:58,149 --> 00:25:55,440
again you get to the historical data

689
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:58,159
like crash retrievals and military

690
00:26:02,710 --> 00:26:00,640
witnesses which has a huge historic

691
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:02,720
component yeah we're also quick to

692
00:26:06,710 --> 00:26:04,559
mention the current stuff and i realize

693
00:26:08,830 --> 00:26:06,720
a lot of people got into this field

694
00:26:11,190 --> 00:26:08,840
because of the current newer stuff in

695
00:26:12,710 --> 00:26:11,200
2004 to present and certainly in the

696
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:12,720
last four years

697
00:26:17,990 --> 00:26:14,880
but you guys there's 70 years there's

698
00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:18,000
more than 70 that you know anyone who

699
00:26:21,190 --> 00:26:19,760
who watched ancient aliens for years and

700
00:26:22,870 --> 00:26:21,200
years there's more than 70 years you

701
00:26:25,430 --> 00:26:22,880
know but there's at least 70 years of

702
00:26:27,430 --> 00:26:25,440
modern ufology to say look you know

703
00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:27,440
there's there's a lot of research a lot

704
00:26:32,310 --> 00:26:30,480
of data a lot of military cases

705
00:26:34,950 --> 00:26:32,320
um

706
00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:34,960
there's a lot of huge

707
00:26:41,029 --> 00:26:37,440
witnessed cases

708
00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:41,039
there's landing trace evidence cases

709
00:26:44,950 --> 00:26:43,120
you know um

710
00:26:46,710 --> 00:26:44,960
it'd be really nice if some researcher

711
00:26:48,390 --> 00:26:46,720
really stepped up about the landing

712
00:26:50,230 --> 00:26:48,400
trace evidence cases in the past there

713
00:26:53,669 --> 00:26:50,240
were some people one

714
00:26:56,070 --> 00:26:53,679
famous individual passed away um

715
00:26:59,110 --> 00:26:56,080
there are like i said witness cases

716
00:27:02,230 --> 00:26:59,120
landing trace evidence crash retrievals

717
00:27:07,350 --> 00:27:05,110
all sorts of physical analysis and

718
00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:07,360
analysis done of videos and photos i

719
00:27:11,029 --> 00:27:09,360
mean there's just it's so much it's

720
00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:11,039
actually kind of overwhelming i've been

721
00:27:14,230 --> 00:27:12,480
in the field

722
00:27:16,070 --> 00:27:14,240
for 32 years

723
00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:16,080
and i'm constantly both having to be

724
00:27:20,389 --> 00:27:17,760
remembered of past stuff i've already

725
00:27:22,230 --> 00:27:20,399
learned to remember it again

726
00:27:24,950 --> 00:27:22,240
you know i unfortunately don't have the

727
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:24,960
memory of um

728
00:27:27,909 --> 00:27:26,080
dolan

729
00:27:29,590 --> 00:27:27,919
or someone like him you know or dan

730
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:29,600
sheehan or someone who can go boom boom

731
00:27:33,430 --> 00:27:30,960
boom you know

732
00:27:34,630 --> 00:27:33,440
i wish i did and at times at times i do

733
00:27:36,549 --> 00:27:34,640
like people always say oh yeah such good

734
00:27:39,669 --> 00:27:36,559
memory and i'm like

735
00:27:40,710 --> 00:27:39,679
yeah i i strive to be like them

736
00:27:49,029 --> 00:27:40,720
but

737
00:27:51,750 --> 00:27:49,039
realizing how many things come up that i

738
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:51,760
knew little about famous cases you know

739
00:27:56,389 --> 00:27:53,760
that i'd heard of but i don't know the

740
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:56,399
specifics you know part of it is we'll

741
00:28:00,389 --> 00:27:58,799
have lives and we only have so much time

742
00:28:01,750 --> 00:28:00,399
that's true with me

743
00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:01,760
and

744
00:28:05,909 --> 00:28:03,600
because of my own abduction experiences

745
00:28:07,830 --> 00:28:05,919
i focused on being an abduction

746
00:28:09,269 --> 00:28:07,840
researcher and then i had the mill lab

747
00:28:11,669 --> 00:28:09,279
military involvement experiences and

748
00:28:13,510 --> 00:28:11,679
focused on that so when it comes to that

749
00:28:15,430 --> 00:28:13,520
and even abductions i could say yeah i

750
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:15,440
know a lot and i know most of the

751
00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:17,760
historic data and blah blah

752
00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:20,080
but some of the other areas i don't but

753
00:28:23,990 --> 00:28:22,000
that's all right you know you everyone

754
00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:24,000
this field eventually becomes kind of a

755
00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:25,440
specialist

756
00:28:30,230 --> 00:28:26,799
you know

757
00:28:31,990 --> 00:28:30,240
because it is so much and and you can't

758
00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:32,000
be on top of all of it all the time i

759
00:28:37,669 --> 00:28:35,039
mean even dolan is a specialist it's the

760
00:28:40,549 --> 00:28:37,679
history that's what he specializes in

761
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:40,559
and great okay the history and and a

762
00:28:44,310 --> 00:28:42,240
greater political picture

763
00:28:46,310 --> 00:28:44,320
same with dan sheen he specializes in

764
00:28:48,310 --> 00:28:46,320
being an attorney for military witnesses

765
00:28:49,830 --> 00:28:48,320
and the greater political pitcher you

766
00:28:51,990 --> 00:28:49,840
know um

767
00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:52,000
and with me it's abductions and millaps

768
00:28:56,389 --> 00:28:53,600
and same with you know that's another

769
00:28:58,149 --> 00:28:56,399
thing the abduction researchers

770
00:28:59,750 --> 00:28:58,159
one of the reasons you're not hearing as

771
00:29:02,389 --> 00:28:59,760
much from them

772
00:29:05,430 --> 00:29:02,399
i mean yes there's books and even even

773
00:29:07,750 --> 00:29:05,440
um uh uh on that panel today a couple of

774
00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:07,760
them brought up you know newer books by

775
00:29:12,230 --> 00:29:10,320
yvonne smith and kathleen martin and

776
00:29:14,549 --> 00:29:12,240
mary rodwell and barbara lam you know so

777
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:14,559
there's newer books

778
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:16,799
well a couple things happened abduction

779
00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:18,480
researchers first off some key

780
00:29:23,590 --> 00:29:21,760
researchers have passed away

781
00:29:25,029 --> 00:29:23,600
um i could name names but

782
00:29:26,950 --> 00:29:25,039
you know everyone there's you know like

783
00:29:29,269 --> 00:29:26,960
five six major significant ones that

784
00:29:31,750 --> 00:29:29,279
passed away in the last

785
00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:31,760
10 years or less you know kind of thing

786
00:29:38,549 --> 00:29:34,880
and uh and then

787
00:29:40,470 --> 00:29:38,559
because of an increase in cases

788
00:29:43,110 --> 00:29:40,480
those people who are working with the

789
00:29:44,789 --> 00:29:43,120
abdictees are doing what i call triage

790
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:44,799
there's there it's all about stopping

791
00:29:48,710 --> 00:29:46,640
the bleeding you know and they're

792
00:29:52,389 --> 00:29:48,720
helping the abductees

793
00:29:54,389 --> 00:29:52,399
and they're so busy doing that that they

794
00:29:56,549 --> 00:29:54,399
can't stop and get the research out and

795
00:29:59,110 --> 00:29:56,559
write about it now another thing is we

796
00:30:01,430 --> 00:29:59,120
just went two or three years without

797
00:30:02,710 --> 00:30:01,440
having major conferences on the subject

798
00:30:05,269 --> 00:30:02,720
only a few

799
00:30:08,630 --> 00:30:05,279
yeah when the major conferences

800
00:30:12,310 --> 00:30:08,640
happen i encourage

801
00:30:14,710 --> 00:30:12,320
both the conference producers and

802
00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:14,720
the speakers you know approaching them

803
00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:17,600
and stuff to say look let's address this

804
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:19,200
let's address the contact and the

805
00:30:22,470 --> 00:30:20,880
abduction sure when conferences come

806
00:30:25,190 --> 00:30:22,480
back are we all talking disclosure hell

807
00:30:26,789 --> 00:30:25,200
yeah you know duh okay but that's a

808
00:30:28,310 --> 00:30:26,799
given and we're talking about crash

809
00:30:29,909 --> 00:30:28,320
retreats okay you know we know the

810
00:30:31,110 --> 00:30:29,919
things that are going to be included

811
00:30:33,269 --> 00:30:31,120
because they're the things that are

812
00:30:36,549 --> 00:30:33,279
prominent in the field and get attention

813
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:36,559
great let's also make sure contact and

814
00:30:40,789 --> 00:30:38,640
abductions are being talked about there

815
00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:40,799
but that's another reason so

816
00:30:45,029 --> 00:30:43,440
i say to people it hasn't gone away

817
00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:45,039
you're just not

818
00:30:49,590 --> 00:30:48,080
hearing about it

819
00:30:51,029 --> 00:30:49,600
um because you're not hearing from the

820
00:30:53,110 --> 00:30:51,039
experiencers

821
00:30:54,630 --> 00:30:53,120
because the ridicules alive and well or

822
00:30:56,389 --> 00:30:54,640
the fear of it anyways

823
00:30:57,750 --> 00:30:56,399
you're not hearing about it from the

824
00:30:59,190 --> 00:30:57,760
media because they're not paying any

825
00:31:01,029 --> 00:30:59,200
attention to any of this

826
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:01,039
and if you they are it's very mainstream

827
00:31:05,509 --> 00:31:04,080
object uh disclosure stuff

828
00:31:07,990 --> 00:31:05,519
you're not hearing it from those

829
00:31:10,230 --> 00:31:08,000
pressing disclosure because oh my god we

830
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:10,240
can't talk about that right now

831
00:31:13,509 --> 00:31:11,840
you know heaven forbid we bring up

832
00:31:14,549 --> 00:31:13,519
anything you know it was very

833
00:31:16,870 --> 00:31:14,559
interesting i don't have it here in

834
00:31:19,990 --> 00:31:16,880
front of me i wish i did um oh yes no i

835
00:31:21,269 --> 00:31:20,000
don't um that's a different book um but

836
00:31:23,509 --> 00:31:21,279
uh uh

837
00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:23,519
skinwalkers at the pentagon oh i should

838
00:31:27,509 --> 00:31:25,600
like to say here brought in a bunch of

839
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:27,519
other subject matter al the blue into

840
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:29,760
the disclosure discussion through it

841
00:31:32,549 --> 00:31:31,200
through you know some people say god

842
00:31:34,789 --> 00:31:32,559
this again throw a wrench it's going to

843
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:34,799
cause problems no you guys it made us

844
00:31:39,430 --> 00:31:36,960
say no there's more going on here and

845
00:31:41,110 --> 00:31:39,440
that's a good thing so anyone can look

846
00:31:43,269 --> 00:31:41,120
around look back and go did that cause

847
00:31:45,029 --> 00:31:43,279
huge problems no

848
00:31:47,509 --> 00:31:45,039
but what it did is it brought that stuff

849
00:31:49,909 --> 00:31:47,519
into the discussion which i'm glad that

850
00:31:51,990 --> 00:31:49,919
it did there's lots more there

851
00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:52,000
you know we realize how layered and

852
00:31:57,509 --> 00:31:54,720
complicated this subject is

853
00:31:59,350 --> 00:31:57,519
and and amongst us who already know you

854
00:32:01,590 --> 00:31:59,360
know in the community ufo twitter or

855
00:32:03,669 --> 00:32:01,600
whatever

856
00:32:05,909 --> 00:32:03,679
amongst us who already know

857
00:32:08,149 --> 00:32:05,919
that's okay to address these other

858
00:32:10,549 --> 00:32:08,159
subjects we're like ready for the next

859
00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:10,559
step but the public we got to go back to

860
00:32:14,230 --> 00:32:12,320
again what i was just saying the

861
00:32:15,909 --> 00:32:14,240
evidence you've got to go to the

862
00:32:17,590 --> 00:32:15,919
evidence cases

863
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:17,600
and present that

864
00:32:22,310 --> 00:32:20,320
yeah and those people in congress and

865
00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:22,320
that you know congress house and senate

866
00:32:27,269 --> 00:32:26,000
here in the u.s were persuaded on the

867
00:32:29,269 --> 00:32:27,279
evidence

868
00:32:31,830 --> 00:32:29,279
you know they got to get that out there

869
00:32:33,430 --> 00:32:31,840
now it may take public hearings

870
00:32:35,269 --> 00:32:33,440
you know according to basset maybe next

871
00:32:37,509 --> 00:32:35,279
year a lot of us are going in maybe two

872
00:32:39,269 --> 00:32:37,519
years but you know but i think that's

873
00:32:40,310 --> 00:32:39,279
coming you know

874
00:32:44,389 --> 00:32:40,320
and

875
00:32:46,870 --> 00:32:44,399
got it be wonderful came up this year

876
00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:46,880
but i think they got to go into their

877
00:32:51,430 --> 00:32:48,720
90-day

878
00:32:53,750 --> 00:32:51,440
releases every 90 days right for the new

879
00:32:55,110 --> 00:32:53,760
group whatever do does we know vinnie do

880
00:32:57,269 --> 00:32:55,120
you know the name of the new group i

881
00:32:59,110 --> 00:32:57,279
don't it hasn't been released yet

882
00:33:01,350 --> 00:32:59,120
they've not they've not formalized it

883
00:33:03,029 --> 00:33:01,360
because obviously

884
00:33:05,669 --> 00:33:03,039
yeah that would be great

885
00:33:07,590 --> 00:33:05,679
so hopefully

886
00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:07,600
as opposed to what they call the someone

887
00:33:12,149 --> 00:33:10,880
call it the msg sauce or i call it oi ms

888
00:33:15,909 --> 00:33:12,159
oi sauce

889
00:33:18,230 --> 00:33:15,919
yeah yeah msg oh yeah yeah yeah yeah but

890
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:18,240
and the whole long name which you know

891
00:33:21,990 --> 00:33:19,679
from the acronym i'd have to sit here

892
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:22,000
and go d d didn't remember the name

893
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:25,120
but but um i mean not that it needs a

894
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:26,880
catchy acronym but it helps it'll

895
00:33:30,549 --> 00:33:28,320
certainly help the public wrap their

896
00:33:32,389 --> 00:33:30,559
head around it indeed some people even

897
00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:32,399
wonder if some of that was

898
00:33:39,190 --> 00:33:36,000
deflection deliberately you know maybe

899
00:33:41,669 --> 00:33:39,200
um you know but uh

900
00:33:43,110 --> 00:33:41,679
anyway so it's it's been interesting

901
00:33:44,789 --> 00:33:43,120
interesting developments i think

902
00:33:46,710 --> 00:33:44,799
everybody has really good

903
00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:46,720
insight about it i

904
00:33:50,230 --> 00:33:48,880
i think so many people yourself your

905
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:50,240
guests

906
00:33:54,710 --> 00:33:52,480
certainly ryan and his comments and ian

907
00:33:56,310 --> 00:33:54,720
doley and you know and and and your

908
00:33:57,509 --> 00:33:56,320
everyone on that that panel that you

909
00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:57,519
just did

910
00:34:00,870 --> 00:33:58,720
um

911
00:34:02,549 --> 00:34:00,880
uh witnesses and et cetera you know ucr

912
00:34:04,630 --> 00:34:02,559
those guys i mean everything we're

913
00:34:07,269 --> 00:34:04,640
hearing about kind of in this closer

914
00:34:08,470 --> 00:34:07,279
community i think people are being very

915
00:34:11,349 --> 00:34:08,480
logical

916
00:34:13,829 --> 00:34:11,359
and very intelligent about it and and

917
00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:13,839
i'm impressed by all this younger crowd

918
00:34:18,149 --> 00:34:15,440
that's intelligent you know i always say

919
00:34:19,829 --> 00:34:18,159
ufology said forever you know we need

920
00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:19,839
we need younger people you know you go

921
00:34:24,069 --> 00:34:21,440
to the events and the conferences and

922
00:34:25,990 --> 00:34:24,079
the average age was 65. you know no joke

923
00:34:27,349 --> 00:34:26,000
you know and so it's like well be

924
00:34:28,710 --> 00:34:27,359
careful what you asked for because now

925
00:34:30,149 --> 00:34:28,720
we have all these younger people and i'm

926
00:34:32,149 --> 00:34:30,159
going to encourage

927
00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:32,159
you know i'm glad that bassett came on

928
00:34:36,550 --> 00:34:34,720
that panel with you guys yes

929
00:34:39,109 --> 00:34:36,560
bassett

930
00:34:41,669 --> 00:34:39,119
hasn't he's been through it he's been in

931
00:34:43,510 --> 00:34:41,679
it is longer and i've been in 32 years

932
00:34:45,589 --> 00:34:43,520
he's actually been in it longer than me

933
00:34:47,990 --> 00:34:45,599
so it's like wait a second he has a lot

934
00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:48,000
to say about this i would love don

935
00:34:50,950 --> 00:34:49,679
schmidt to start being interviewed by

936
00:34:53,190 --> 00:34:50,960
all you guys

937
00:34:55,909 --> 00:34:53,200
because his background is not just

938
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:55,919
roswell he has a whole background in in

939
00:34:58,230 --> 00:34:57,040
being one of the heads of one of the

940
00:35:00,470 --> 00:34:58,240
major

941
00:35:02,390 --> 00:35:00,480
research organizations you know so voted

942
00:35:04,870 --> 00:35:02,400
on us

943
00:35:05,910 --> 00:35:04,880
very good very good good i'll have to go

944
00:35:07,990 --> 00:35:05,920
is so

945
00:35:09,990 --> 00:35:08,000
that's up that recording yeah i did an

946
00:35:11,349 --> 00:35:10,000
ice a panel discussion so yeah you can

947
00:35:13,589 --> 00:35:11,359
catch donald trump okay thank you

948
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:13,599
although a nicer yeah we'll have him

949
00:35:18,550 --> 00:35:16,960
also by himself and then

950
00:35:20,310 --> 00:35:18,560
they need to be out there more and yeah

951
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:20,320
you know these groups can do these panel

952
00:35:25,829 --> 00:35:23,040
things but they all would be amazing

953
00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:25,839
individual guests sure you know whether

954
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:29,680
it's the scientific coalition or icer or

955
00:35:34,230 --> 00:35:32,160
or the people working with offi loeb and

956
00:35:36,710 --> 00:35:34,240
you know so it's like

957
00:35:38,950 --> 00:35:36,720
gosh you know they the amount of really

958
00:35:40,870 --> 00:35:38,960
good qualified guests people can have is

959
00:35:41,670 --> 00:35:40,880
is endless you know yeah and thank you

960
00:35:43,349 --> 00:35:41,680
for

961
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:43,359
having me because that makes me go well

962
00:35:46,870 --> 00:35:44,640
you know i'm not sure i have the

963
00:35:48,310 --> 00:35:46,880
qualifications so some of those people

964
00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:48,320
no thank you but i've been in the field

965
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:50,240
for 32 years and

966
00:35:54,870 --> 00:35:53,040
and and i am a public abductee and the

967
00:35:59,109 --> 00:35:54,880
one thing where i made work well there's

968
00:36:01,270 --> 00:35:59,119
two areas where i feel like i can say

969
00:36:04,230 --> 00:36:01,280
it's not an ego thing i just think i've

970
00:36:05,990 --> 00:36:04,240
earned from a lot of research two areas

971
00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:06,000
which is the mill labs area and the

972
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:07,440
history of the working group area where

973
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:09,599
i feel like okay there i'm

974
00:36:13,750 --> 00:36:11,680
i actually know some stuff you know and

975
00:36:15,109 --> 00:36:13,760
certainly with millabs and kind of by

976
00:36:17,829 --> 00:36:15,119
default

977
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:17,839
because you had carla turner passing

978
00:36:21,270 --> 00:36:18,960
away

979
00:36:24,150 --> 00:36:21,280
the other major researchers even we just

980
00:36:26,950 --> 00:36:24,160
had lost leo sprinkle unfortunately and

981
00:36:29,270 --> 00:36:26,960
he had many millab cases that he worked

982
00:36:31,829 --> 00:36:29,280
with and i one time interviewed him

983
00:36:33,910 --> 00:36:31,839
extensively about that when i eventually

984
00:36:36,069 --> 00:36:33,920
do a book these interviews with the

985
00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:36,079
major researchers and their data on it

986
00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:38,560
will be in there besides you know

987
00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:41,200
besides the experiencers themselves but

988
00:36:44,230 --> 00:36:42,800
um

989
00:36:46,790 --> 00:36:44,240
it's uh

990
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:46,800
i by default i feel like the last man

991
00:36:49,829 --> 00:36:48,000
standing

992
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:49,839
and helmet and marion lammer who wrote

993
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:51,280
about it in their book mill labs you

994
00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:53,359
know so i kind of feel like by default

995
00:36:57,750 --> 00:36:54,960
i'm like the last one in the field

996
00:36:59,910 --> 00:36:57,760
really talking about this with a few

997
00:37:03,349 --> 00:36:59,920
other experiencers that

998
00:37:06,230 --> 00:37:03,359
that could talk about it um and are

999
00:37:09,190 --> 00:37:06,240
um quite qualified to do so and have

1000
00:37:11,510 --> 00:37:09,200
their own experiences uh misha johnston

1001
00:37:13,750 --> 00:37:11,520
nadine lawlech you know come to mind

1002
00:37:14,950 --> 00:37:13,760
right away as well as others you know by

1003
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:14,960
the way um

1004
00:37:18,550 --> 00:37:17,040
if he's listening to this right now jay

1005
00:37:21,030 --> 00:37:18,560
i hope i hope he is or at least i hope

1006
00:37:23,109 --> 00:37:21,040
he will later um

1007
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:23,119
uh i'm forgetting what jay's last name

1008
00:37:26,310 --> 00:37:24,960
is he was just on the panel this morning

1009
00:37:28,470 --> 00:37:26,320
and the one with you oh jay christopher

1010
00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:28,480
king yeah jay king yeah

1011
00:37:32,069 --> 00:37:29,680
jay

1012
00:37:33,349 --> 00:37:32,079
i you and i man we gotta talk i i love

1013
00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:33,359
everything you're saying about the

1014
00:37:37,750 --> 00:37:35,760
subject thank you for representing the

1015
00:37:39,109 --> 00:37:37,760
experiencer community or the abductee

1016
00:37:41,910 --> 00:37:39,119
community so well

1017
00:37:43,670 --> 00:37:41,920
and and you're articulate and beautiful

1018
00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:43,680
about it and i look very forward to

1019
00:37:48,390 --> 00:37:47,280
discussing uh it with you because uh yay

1020
00:37:49,589 --> 00:37:48,400
yay

1021
00:37:52,069 --> 00:37:49,599
and uh

1022
00:37:54,150 --> 00:37:52,079
and so that's what it takes and and and

1023
00:37:56,870 --> 00:37:54,160
these younger fresher faces in the

1024
00:37:58,790 --> 00:37:56,880
community who are experiencers and

1025
00:38:01,430 --> 00:37:58,800
leading you know eric mitchell comes to

1026
00:38:02,790 --> 00:38:01,440
mind you know these people leading the

1027
00:38:05,910 --> 00:38:02,800
these abduction

1028
00:38:08,550 --> 00:38:05,920
discussion groups online and uh and

1029
00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:08,560
facebook and whatnot i'm like

1030
00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:10,320
great we need them out there talking

1031
00:38:13,270 --> 00:38:11,520
because we can

1032
00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:13,280
you guys i guarantee you if a bunch of

1033
00:38:16,870 --> 00:38:14,640
us who are familiar with this we're

1034
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:16,880
talking about it more often no one would

1035
00:38:20,550 --> 00:38:18,720
think like brian asked on the panel day

1036
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:20,560
how come the subject's gone away you

1037
00:38:26,470 --> 00:38:24,000
would realize how prevalent it is how

1038
00:38:28,950 --> 00:38:26,480
robust the research is how much is going

1039
00:38:31,430 --> 00:38:28,960
on um on that same note so the other so

1040
00:38:33,750 --> 00:38:31,440
i i already said someone asked the

1041
00:38:35,829 --> 00:38:33,760
question just then right what how do we

1042
00:38:37,430 --> 00:38:35,839
get this out there you know and how do

1043
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:37,440
we spread it

1044
00:38:41,190 --> 00:38:38,720
obviously

1045
00:38:46,150 --> 00:38:41,200
approaching

1046
00:38:50,790 --> 00:38:48,069
that might be tough it might be more

1047
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:50,800
like as it comes up than reacting

1048
00:38:55,270 --> 00:38:53,760
appropriately and

1049
00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:55,280
starting with those people in the

1050
00:39:04,150 --> 00:38:58,079
community who are already in the media

1051
00:39:08,069 --> 00:39:05,829
they're reacting to questions they're

1052
00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:08,079
asked i get it that's what happens in an

1053
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:10,400
interview but sometimes you gotta have

1054
00:39:16,310 --> 00:39:12,960
those talking points you wanna in inject

1055
00:39:18,069 --> 00:39:16,320
you know into what's my

1056
00:39:19,990 --> 00:39:18,079
angle's very weird i don't know just not

1057
00:39:22,470 --> 00:39:20,000
happy

1058
00:39:23,589 --> 00:39:22,480
it's just going to be what it is um but

1059
00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:23,599
um

1060
00:39:30,870 --> 00:39:28,560
in into the conversation you know have

1061
00:39:33,030 --> 00:39:30,880
your talking points to do that and have

1062
00:39:35,510 --> 00:39:33,040
those talking points be the evidence at

1063
00:39:38,710 --> 00:39:35,520
least again i'm talking right now about

1064
00:39:40,550 --> 00:39:38,720
more mainstream ufology and then

1065
00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:40,560
with the abduction stuff yes the

1066
00:39:45,510 --> 00:39:42,640
evidence as well but also the

1067
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:45,520
statistical data the the numbers the

1068
00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:48,000
stats i call it you know the numbers of

1069
00:39:53,430 --> 00:39:51,359
people the numbers of things that are

1070
00:39:55,829 --> 00:39:53,440
similarities the

1071
00:39:58,150 --> 00:39:55,839
statistics on the evidence

1072
00:40:01,030 --> 00:39:58,160
on the kind of things that happen on the

1073
00:40:03,270 --> 00:40:01,040
kind of messages received

1074
00:40:04,710 --> 00:40:03,280
and and uh

1075
00:40:07,510 --> 00:40:04,720
and i think you know getting that out

1076
00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:07,520
there certainly if you if you're asked

1077
00:40:13,109 --> 00:40:09,359
to do an interview even something like

1078
00:40:15,270 --> 00:40:13,119
this you know a podcast a youtube but

1079
00:40:18,069 --> 00:40:15,280
even if it's something more mainstream

1080
00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:18,079
on on that note that's a good

1081
00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:21,440
time for me to bring up um

1082
00:40:25,990 --> 00:40:22,720
that i

1083
00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:26,000
i did something i called i i

1084
00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:28,880
cracked myself up i did something rash

1085
00:40:34,390 --> 00:40:32,400
something uh rather brazen

1086
00:40:37,109 --> 00:40:34,400
and uh

1087
00:40:40,150 --> 00:40:37,119
and had an idea at the beginning of the

1088
00:40:43,910 --> 00:40:40,160
year or a couple months into the year

1089
00:40:47,030 --> 00:40:43,920
this last year to go um

1090
00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:47,040
we need to be proactive in our response

1091
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:50,240
in the abductee contacty community to

1092
00:40:55,750 --> 00:40:52,960
this disclosure stuff and not sit and

1093
00:40:56,950 --> 00:40:55,760
wait and be reactive when things get

1094
00:41:02,309 --> 00:40:56,960
said

1095
00:41:04,470 --> 00:41:02,319
and we need to put out a kind of united

1096
00:41:06,390 --> 00:41:04,480
front amongst the major

1097
00:41:08,630 --> 00:41:06,400
abduction researchers and abduction

1098
00:41:10,710 --> 00:41:08,640
research community

1099
00:41:13,589 --> 00:41:10,720
and and

1100
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:13,599
early on this year it was looking like

1101
00:41:18,150 --> 00:41:16,000
so much of this disclosure stuff in the

1102
00:41:20,150 --> 00:41:18,160
last four years was being put out there

1103
00:41:22,950 --> 00:41:20,160
as with kind of a threat narrative now

1104
00:41:25,349 --> 00:41:22,960
it wasn't it was a military safety

1105
00:41:27,990 --> 00:41:25,359
military or space safety thing

1106
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:28,000
yeah but there was somewhat of

1107
00:41:32,230 --> 00:41:30,000
perception and i was hearing it from the

1108
00:41:33,430 --> 00:41:32,240
people coming on my tours and stuff like

1109
00:41:36,390 --> 00:41:33,440
that

1110
00:41:37,990 --> 00:41:36,400
whether it was being

1111
00:41:41,910 --> 00:41:38,000
put out that way or at least

1112
00:41:44,470 --> 00:41:41,920
misperceived that way but it made me go

1113
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:44,480
you know as a community we need to

1114
00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:47,200
to address that and kind of steer a

1115
00:41:50,550 --> 00:41:48,880
different direction

1116
00:41:52,550 --> 00:41:50,560
and so it really

1117
00:41:55,430 --> 00:41:52,560
got me thinking and then i thought no

1118
00:41:57,589 --> 00:41:55,440
i'm aware of the history of abduction

1119
00:41:59,190 --> 00:41:57,599
research to know

1120
00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:59,200
that

1121
00:42:02,870 --> 00:42:00,240
i know of

1122
00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:02,880
abductees who've lost their jobs over

1123
00:42:07,349 --> 00:42:05,200
the subject i know abductees who've been

1124
00:42:09,349 --> 00:42:07,359
divorced over it and lost custody of

1125
00:42:10,870 --> 00:42:09,359
their children because they dare say

1126
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:10,880
they're an abductee

1127
00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:12,960
like i said many divorces many people

1128
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:14,480
who've lost custody of kids or had to

1129
00:42:17,829 --> 00:42:16,480
fight for the custody of their kids and

1130
00:42:19,910 --> 00:42:17,839
this came up

1131
00:42:22,550 --> 00:42:19,920
used by the

1132
00:42:24,390 --> 00:42:22,560
opposing side or whatever and and then

1133
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:24,400
as well as uh

1134
00:42:28,550 --> 00:42:26,640
people who've lost

1135
00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:28,560
like a doctor who lost his medical

1136
00:42:34,230 --> 00:42:31,359
license over it because he dare say this

1137
00:42:37,109 --> 00:42:36,230
you guys the ridicule and the negative

1138
00:42:39,109 --> 00:42:37,119
for

1139
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:39,119
abductees when you really think about

1140
00:42:44,150 --> 00:42:41,040
it's like it leaves like

1141
00:42:47,510 --> 00:42:44,160
not a lot of reason to really talk about

1142
00:42:49,589 --> 00:42:47,520
it it's like more reasons not to because

1143
00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:49,599
it's not easy and you do come under

1144
00:42:55,270 --> 00:42:52,079
attack i've been in this field 32 years

1145
00:42:58,950 --> 00:42:55,280
i've been public with my abductions for

1146
00:43:01,190 --> 00:42:58,960
29 of those let's say make almost three

1147
00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:01,200
years of being public

1148
00:43:07,030 --> 00:43:04,480
i still get ridicule i still get it i

1149
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:07,040
still you know

1150
00:43:12,550 --> 00:43:09,680
even the attitude when it comes up with

1151
00:43:14,870 --> 00:43:12,560
clients on my tour who asked me about it

1152
00:43:17,030 --> 00:43:14,880
and i and it i don't bring it up and

1153
00:43:18,069 --> 00:43:17,040
talk about it unless i'm asked but

1154
00:43:19,589 --> 00:43:18,079
there's a thing that even in my

1155
00:43:21,670 --> 00:43:19,599
literature says if you ask her nicely

1156
00:43:23,349 --> 00:43:21,680
you know and our concierge is here at

1157
00:43:25,109 --> 00:43:23,359
the center for new way that book tours

1158
00:43:26,710 --> 00:43:25,119
and stuff for me

1159
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:26,720
well tell people if you ask her nicely

1160
00:43:29,910 --> 00:43:29,119
she'll talk about it

1161
00:43:31,829 --> 00:43:29,920
and

1162
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:31,839
but every every time someone brings up

1163
00:43:36,230 --> 00:43:34,560
on a tour i almost cringe you know

1164
00:43:38,230 --> 00:43:36,240
because

1165
00:43:41,270 --> 00:43:38,240
now i've had two things happen i've had

1166
00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:41,280
people go kind of react kind of

1167
00:43:45,270 --> 00:43:43,440
smirk or ask questions but i can tell

1168
00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:45,280
that they're not sure if they're buying

1169
00:43:49,270 --> 00:43:47,760
it okay right but i've had the opposite

1170
00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:49,280
happen which is i've had a lot of people

1171
00:43:53,190 --> 00:43:51,680
open up and share their own experiences

1172
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:53,200
and that's when it's really rewarding

1173
00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:55,680
you know a lot of people have opened up

1174
00:44:01,589 --> 00:43:58,800
and so you guys so that's why do it

1175
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:01,599
that that i'm glad i just kind of

1176
00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:03,359
tripped into that by accident but i'm

1177
00:44:07,510 --> 00:44:05,920
glad that i did because that brings up

1178
00:44:09,910 --> 00:44:07,520
why even do it then because you're

1179
00:44:12,790 --> 00:44:09,920
helping other people i do it because on

1180
00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:12,800
the tour first i'm educating the people

1181
00:44:18,630 --> 00:44:15,280
who don't know anything about it and and

1182
00:44:20,470 --> 00:44:18,640
if their skepticism really shows

1183
00:44:22,230 --> 00:44:20,480
even if it's just in their attitude let

1184
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:22,240
alone if they say something i'll go

1185
00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:24,000
straight to the evidence i'll go i'll

1186
00:44:28,230 --> 00:44:26,560
start peeling off evidence stuff

1187
00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:28,240
and i'll go into something from my own

1188
00:44:30,950 --> 00:44:29,760
experience that i have a lot of evidence

1189
00:44:32,550 --> 00:44:30,960
for

1190
00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:32,560
and i've had a lot i've changed a lot of

1191
00:44:36,630 --> 00:44:35,280
people's minds by doing that

1192
00:44:37,910 --> 00:44:36,640
because i'm gonna go whoa because then

1193
00:44:39,349 --> 00:44:37,920
they're going well

1194
00:44:41,109 --> 00:44:39,359
we've been out here on the tour with you

1195
00:44:42,470 --> 00:44:41,119
we're having real sightings we know

1196
00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:42,480
you're legit

1197
00:44:46,710 --> 00:44:44,640
you know and so when i go to that and i

1198
00:44:49,190 --> 00:44:46,720
go to the evidence like i said i change

1199
00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:49,200
i can get change their attitude around

1200
00:44:52,470 --> 00:44:50,640
but the other thing is so go to the

1201
00:44:54,390 --> 00:44:52,480
evidence but the other thing is why do

1202
00:44:55,750 --> 00:44:54,400
why put yourself at risk because you're

1203
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:55,760
helping the other people and you're

1204
00:45:00,390 --> 00:44:58,800
giving a voice to the other experiencers

1205
00:45:01,910 --> 00:45:00,400
who can't

1206
00:45:03,910 --> 00:45:01,920
talk about it

1207
00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:03,920
for what might be because of their

1208
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:06,000
family or their career or

1209
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:08,160
protecting their family or whatever

1210
00:45:10,870 --> 00:45:10,079
or those that are just too afraid to do

1211
00:45:17,349 --> 00:45:10,880
it

1212
00:45:19,910 --> 00:45:17,359
others to do so you'll encourage

1213
00:45:22,150 --> 00:45:19,920
other abductees experiences contactees

1214
00:45:23,589 --> 00:45:22,160
military witnesses whatever your version

1215
00:45:26,230 --> 00:45:23,599
of contact is

1216
00:45:27,990 --> 00:45:26,240
talk about it you're encouraging others

1217
00:45:29,750 --> 00:45:28,000
and by showing that you're not afraid to

1218
00:45:31,750 --> 00:45:29,760
talk about it will you get rid just

1219
00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:31,760
assume you'll get some ridicule

1220
00:45:35,270 --> 00:45:33,839
just gotta just be okay with it will you

1221
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:35,280
get rid of code will you get people who

1222
00:45:38,710 --> 00:45:37,440
look at you funny when you get negative

1223
00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:38,720
comments

1224
00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:40,160
well maybe someone in your family be

1225
00:45:43,030 --> 00:45:41,280
upset just

1226
00:45:47,349 --> 00:45:43,040
assume

1227
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:47,359
be like okay if that's there it's there

1228
00:45:51,109 --> 00:45:49,440
yeah but you'll also get

1229
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:51,119
you'll get the other experiencers the

1230
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:52,560
abductees

1231
00:45:55,510 --> 00:45:53,760
saying

1232
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:55,520
thank you

1233
00:45:59,270 --> 00:45:57,040
you know like that's why i wanted to

1234
00:46:01,109 --> 00:45:59,280
thank jay king for being out there thank

1235
00:46:02,870 --> 00:46:01,119
you you know

1236
00:46:04,870 --> 00:46:02,880
and others um

1237
00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:04,880
christine who was i guess also on there

1238
00:46:07,910 --> 00:46:06,000
as well

1239
00:46:08,870 --> 00:46:07,920
with you guys yesterday uh you know but

1240
00:46:10,150 --> 00:46:08,880
but

1241
00:46:12,470 --> 00:46:10,160
anyone out there if you're an

1242
00:46:14,309 --> 00:46:12,480
experiencer out there talking about this

1243
00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:14,319
thank you because you're representing

1244
00:46:18,550 --> 00:46:16,400
you're representing the other people who

1245
00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:18,560
can't talk or too afraid

1246
00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:20,160
or are new to the experience and aren't

1247
00:46:25,270 --> 00:46:23,200
sure what to say about it etc you know

1248
00:46:27,190 --> 00:46:25,280
and also you know

1249
00:46:28,470 --> 00:46:27,200
when you're out there talking

1250
00:46:30,230 --> 00:46:28,480
have

1251
00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:30,240
kind of like i said your talking points

1252
00:46:34,309 --> 00:46:32,880
have know what the evidence is for your

1253
00:46:36,309 --> 00:46:34,319
own experience know what the evidence

1254
00:46:37,829 --> 00:46:36,319
for other people's experiences are so

1255
00:46:40,230 --> 00:46:37,839
when you get asked those tough questions

1256
00:46:42,870 --> 00:46:40,240
you can go there know the stats anyways

1257
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:42,880
which gets me back to so

1258
00:46:47,589 --> 00:46:44,800
i'm jumping all over the place i realize

1259
00:46:48,550 --> 00:46:47,599
but fine i tend to do that

1260
00:46:50,230 --> 00:46:48,560
um

1261
00:46:51,910 --> 00:46:50,240
uh

1262
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:51,920
not just on this subject in life in

1263
00:46:55,190 --> 00:46:53,760
general too it's just

1264
00:46:56,470 --> 00:46:55,200
that's how i roll

1265
00:47:01,190 --> 00:46:56,480
okay

1266
00:47:03,990 --> 00:47:01,200
so i so i came up with this i idea to

1267
00:47:05,670 --> 00:47:04,000
say we gotta we gotta first off i'm also

1268
00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:05,680
concerned with

1269
00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:08,160
because ridiculous alive or well how if

1270
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:10,480
if this isn't being talked about

1271
00:47:16,309 --> 00:47:14,160
in disclosure if abduction and contact

1272
00:47:19,190 --> 00:47:16,319
is well down the road for being included

1273
00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:19,200
or talked about which it likely is okay

1274
00:47:22,390 --> 00:47:21,040
and and i understand that so it's not

1275
00:47:23,910 --> 00:47:22,400
that i have a problem with that it's not

1276
00:47:25,430 --> 00:47:23,920
like oh we have to force abductions to

1277
00:47:29,349 --> 00:47:25,440
be no no

1278
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:29,359
but what we do have to do is is go

1279
00:47:35,910 --> 00:47:33,599
if this is spun in a negative way

1280
00:47:37,589 --> 00:47:35,920
whether that's a threat narrative i'm

1281
00:47:39,270 --> 00:47:37,599
not saying it is i know you know people

1282
00:47:42,069 --> 00:47:39,280
out there go well it's not and i go i

1283
00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:42,079
know that now okay but yeah

1284
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:42,880
okay

1285
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:44,640
but

1286
00:47:46,950 --> 00:47:46,160
we don't know where this is going to go

1287
00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:46,960
if

1288
00:47:53,430 --> 00:47:51,440
the guy's disclosing you know the

1289
00:47:56,309 --> 00:47:53,440
government whatever you know aren't

1290
00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:56,319
doing that the media could take it there

1291
00:48:00,790 --> 00:47:58,800
so this so no yeah so that's a problem

1292
00:48:01,750 --> 00:48:00,800
it's like this could be talked about

1293
00:48:03,750 --> 00:48:01,760
that way

1294
00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:03,760
and where does that put the people with

1295
00:48:08,069 --> 00:48:06,079
the experiences are we then perceived as

1296
00:48:10,549 --> 00:48:08,079
a threat or part of that threat heaven

1297
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:10,559
forbid but that's a possibility

1298
00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:12,000
and then also

1299
00:48:17,510 --> 00:48:14,800
if it's not talked about at all

1300
00:48:18,870 --> 00:48:17,520
then is there a media or even a

1301
00:48:19,750 --> 00:48:18,880
governmental

1302
00:48:23,430 --> 00:48:19,760
view

1303
00:48:24,309 --> 00:48:23,440
towards well this is real but that isn't

1304
00:48:26,309 --> 00:48:24,319
okay

1305
00:48:28,390 --> 00:48:26,319
like or we're not that's not important

1306
00:48:30,710 --> 00:48:28,400
or those people are all fake or whatever

1307
00:48:32,549 --> 00:48:30,720
this could be spun in the negative that

1308
00:48:33,750 --> 00:48:32,559
could cause the ridicule to go up

1309
00:48:35,670 --> 00:48:33,760
considerably

1310
00:48:38,710 --> 00:48:35,680
yeah and again i know people that have

1311
00:48:41,750 --> 00:48:38,720
lost careers jobs licenses

1312
00:48:44,630 --> 00:48:41,760
families you know etc over this

1313
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:44,640
so you go okay so i thought

1314
00:48:49,510 --> 00:48:46,960
we need to be proactive

1315
00:48:51,589 --> 00:48:49,520
the community needs to have a voice

1316
00:48:53,990 --> 00:48:51,599
i thought we need

1317
00:48:54,790 --> 00:48:54,000
legal representation

1318
00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:54,800
okay

1319
00:48:58,309 --> 00:48:56,640
because if stuff comes up like those

1320
00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:58,319
things i just mentioned

1321
00:49:01,750 --> 00:49:00,240
abductees need to know they got people

1322
00:49:03,430 --> 00:49:01,760
they can turn to to or not just

1323
00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:03,440
abductees witnesses

1324
00:49:07,750 --> 00:49:05,200
okay military witnesses i'll get into

1325
00:49:09,430 --> 00:49:07,760
that okay so so being that i'm friends

1326
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:09,440
with dan sheen he was the first person i

1327
00:49:14,309 --> 00:49:11,760
called to say

1328
00:49:18,309 --> 00:49:14,319
danny we got a possible problem here

1329
00:49:20,549 --> 00:49:18,319
i have concerns etc etc now first off he

1330
00:49:23,349 --> 00:49:20,559
said you got to change the language from

1331
00:49:26,309 --> 00:49:23,359
concerns and even a reactive language

1332
00:49:28,790 --> 00:49:26,319
into a positive language and i agree i

1333
00:49:31,670 --> 00:49:28,800
need pointers on how to do that because

1334
00:49:34,230 --> 00:49:31,680
i tend to go there you know

1335
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:34,240
yeah and you know so i said okay dan

1336
00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:35,760
show me how you know

1337
00:49:38,790 --> 00:49:37,440
but i agree

1338
00:49:43,109 --> 00:49:38,800
and then

1339
00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:43,119
i think there needs to be some lawyers

1340
00:49:46,470 --> 00:49:45,040
and i said will you help me or at least

1341
00:49:48,870 --> 00:49:46,480
consult me on this

1342
00:49:50,870 --> 00:49:48,880
and he said yeah i'll help i'll even do

1343
00:49:52,710 --> 00:49:50,880
more they consult and he eventually said

1344
00:49:55,910 --> 00:49:52,720
maybe we should make it part of his new

1345
00:49:58,230 --> 00:49:55,920
paradigm institute now now that's

1346
00:50:00,309 --> 00:49:58,240
we're not there yet right now what has

1347
00:50:01,750 --> 00:50:00,319
happened is he said who else would you

1348
00:50:03,829 --> 00:50:01,760
like involved

1349
00:50:07,510 --> 00:50:03,839
do you have others in mind i said oh

1350
00:50:10,549 --> 00:50:07,520
yeah okay and so i gave him my my dream

1351
00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:10,559
team list and we discussed it

1352
00:50:15,109 --> 00:50:12,480
and he said okay contact them

1353
00:50:16,069 --> 00:50:15,119
so i i'm prepared to say who i've spoken

1354
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:16,079
to

1355
00:50:19,829 --> 00:50:18,400
and there's one individual that that dan

1356
00:50:21,750 --> 00:50:19,839
himself is going to talk to that i don't

1357
00:50:24,470 --> 00:50:21,760
know his response yet so i'll leave his

1358
00:50:26,790 --> 00:50:24,480
name off i have a feeling

1359
00:50:28,390 --> 00:50:26,800
but i have a feeling he'll be on board

1360
00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:28,400
but i can go ahead and say the names of

1361
00:50:32,790 --> 00:50:30,880
the people i did talk to and they're all

1362
00:50:34,470 --> 00:50:32,800
not only on board they're gung-ho and

1363
00:50:35,589 --> 00:50:34,480
they're taking this to a whole another

1364
00:50:36,870 --> 00:50:35,599
level

1365
00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:36,880
and so

1366
00:50:41,349 --> 00:50:39,200
we haven't had our first zoom meeting

1367
00:50:43,349 --> 00:50:41,359
yet okay

1368
00:50:44,790 --> 00:50:43,359
i'm supposed to one of them

1369
00:50:47,910 --> 00:50:44,800
long story short one of the lawyers

1370
00:50:49,829 --> 00:50:47,920
involved has offered to

1371
00:50:52,309 --> 00:50:49,839
host that first zoom meeting

1372
00:50:53,430 --> 00:50:52,319
uh daniel sheen himself is very busy and

1373
00:50:55,510 --> 00:50:53,440
his new paradigm institute and

1374
00:50:57,430 --> 00:50:55,520
everything is they're involved in doing

1375
00:50:59,270 --> 00:50:57,440
the new green deal for the state of

1376
00:51:01,430 --> 00:50:59,280
california and he's written the whole

1377
00:51:04,069 --> 00:51:01,440
thing and meeting with all the

1378
00:51:06,069 --> 00:51:04,079
organizers with that so great that's

1379
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:06,079
fantastic and he's still doing his stuff

1380
00:51:09,430 --> 00:51:07,440
with the native american indians and

1381
00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:09,440
everything else if anyone's followed dan

1382
00:51:13,750 --> 00:51:11,680
sheen that's he's been very caught up so

1383
00:51:16,790 --> 00:51:13,760
he's very very busy with these things

1384
00:51:18,630 --> 00:51:16,800
particularly the new green deal stuff so

1385
00:51:20,630 --> 00:51:18,640
so this other gentleman has said if

1386
00:51:22,549 --> 00:51:20,640
dan's too busy i'll host it okay great

1387
00:51:23,510 --> 00:51:22,559
so now i got to get back to him and say

1388
00:51:25,270 --> 00:51:23,520
okay yeah

1389
00:51:27,190 --> 00:51:25,280
let's move forward and we'll pick a date

1390
00:51:29,270 --> 00:51:27,200
and probably after the after the first

1391
00:51:30,309 --> 00:51:29,280
of the year but anyway so

1392
00:51:31,589 --> 00:51:30,319
people are like well why is she talking

1393
00:51:33,589 --> 00:51:31,599
about it then i'm talking about because

1394
00:51:35,430 --> 00:51:33,599
i've had conversations with all them

1395
00:51:38,069 --> 00:51:35,440
they're all on board

1396
00:51:39,349 --> 00:51:38,079
and they all agree on these issues we

1397
00:51:42,069 --> 00:51:39,359
want to address

1398
00:51:44,150 --> 00:51:42,079
which is and so so the working title for

1399
00:51:45,990 --> 00:51:44,160
the group this may change but what i'm

1400
00:51:47,589 --> 00:51:46,000
calling it and i introduced this to each

1401
00:51:49,589 --> 00:51:47,599
of them and everyone was supportive of

1402
00:51:51,030 --> 00:51:49,599
this title in fact some of them said

1403
00:51:52,710 --> 00:51:51,040
perfect that's what we should name it

1404
00:51:55,030 --> 00:51:52,720
but when we actually get together and

1405
00:51:57,990 --> 00:51:55,040
have a meeting we'll see if that um

1406
00:52:00,069 --> 00:51:58,000
you know changes at all yeah but um so

1407
00:52:01,750 --> 00:52:00,079
so the working title is the contact

1408
00:52:03,589 --> 00:52:01,760
rights coalition

1409
00:52:06,630 --> 00:52:03,599
that's what the acronym crc since we're

1410
00:52:08,309 --> 00:52:06,640
in acronyms right okay so crc contact

1411
00:52:11,910 --> 00:52:08,319
rights coalition

1412
00:52:15,109 --> 00:52:11,920
and and so uh here's here's who real

1413
00:52:17,109 --> 00:52:15,119
quick uh daniel sheehan

1414
00:52:18,950 --> 00:52:17,119
uh

1415
00:52:21,030 --> 00:52:18,960
um so

1416
00:52:22,069 --> 00:52:21,040
obviously daniel sheen like i just said

1417
00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:22,079
myself

1418
00:52:27,190 --> 00:52:24,720
um terry lovelace

1419
00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:27,200
okay now if here i should i should say

1420
00:52:31,109 --> 00:52:29,040
this for the people who may not know who

1421
00:52:33,270 --> 00:52:31,119
everyone is so daniel sheen obviously

1422
00:52:35,109 --> 00:52:33,280
lawyer

1423
00:52:37,109 --> 00:52:35,119
director of the new paradigm institute

1424
00:52:39,030 --> 00:52:37,119
as well as the romero institute and

1425
00:52:43,109 --> 00:52:39,040
other things very famous for

1426
00:52:45,910 --> 00:52:43,119
representing lou elizondo and john mack

1427
00:52:49,190 --> 00:52:45,920
and other witnesses etc okay

1428
00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:49,200
and it's isn't and has worked with

1429
00:52:53,190 --> 00:52:51,599
uh both disclosure processes that

1430
00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:53,200
stephen grier did and then stephen

1431
00:52:55,430 --> 00:52:54,480
bassett did

1432
00:52:58,230 --> 00:52:55,440
um

1433
00:53:00,069 --> 00:52:58,240
and uh and and helped consult all those

1434
00:53:01,990 --> 00:53:00,079
military witnesses and government

1435
00:53:05,030 --> 00:53:02,000
witnesses to make sure that they were

1436
00:53:07,990 --> 00:53:05,040
you know protected etc etc so he's quite

1437
00:53:09,990 --> 00:53:08,000
an expert on that so of course he was

1438
00:53:11,349 --> 00:53:10,000
the first person i i called but he's

1439
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:11,359
he's on board

1440
00:53:14,230 --> 00:53:13,200
at least consulting but i we're gonna

1441
00:53:15,910 --> 00:53:14,240
see if

1442
00:53:17,430 --> 00:53:15,920
if it ends up being part of the new

1443
00:53:19,349 --> 00:53:17,440
paradigm institute but the very least

1444
00:53:22,230 --> 00:53:19,359
we'll be consulting okay then again like

1445
00:53:24,870 --> 00:53:22,240
i said myself so i'm an organizer public

1446
00:53:26,390 --> 00:53:24,880
abductee researcher okay there we go

1447
00:53:28,710 --> 00:53:26,400
terry lovelace

1448
00:53:31,349 --> 00:53:28,720
lawyer and abductee

1449
00:53:33,589 --> 00:53:31,359
jim lowe lawyer and abduct teen works

1450
00:53:35,430 --> 00:53:33,599
closely with yvonne smith's ciro

1451
00:53:37,990 --> 00:53:35,440
organization

1452
00:53:39,270 --> 00:53:38,000
kathleen martin martin researcher

1453
00:53:41,670 --> 00:53:39,280
abductee

1454
00:53:43,589 --> 00:53:41,680
yvonne smith head director of ciro

1455
00:53:46,470 --> 00:53:43,599
researcher okay

1456
00:53:48,470 --> 00:53:46,480
les velez director of opus abductee and

1457
00:53:51,349 --> 00:53:48,480
researcher okay

1458
00:53:53,750 --> 00:53:51,359
gwen farrell head of ert research for

1459
00:53:56,549 --> 00:53:53,760
mufon currently the head of abduction

1460
00:53:59,190 --> 00:53:56,559
research follow mufon gwen farrell

1461
00:54:03,750 --> 00:53:59,200
whitley and whitley streeper

1462
00:54:05,109 --> 00:54:03,760
famous abductee spokesperson and

1463
00:54:07,829 --> 00:54:05,119
uh media

1464
00:54:08,870 --> 00:54:07,839
person obviously yeah and so anyway so

1465
00:54:09,510 --> 00:54:08,880
that's

1466
00:54:10,950 --> 00:54:09,520
an

1467
00:54:13,270 --> 00:54:10,960
incredible team

1468
00:54:15,829 --> 00:54:13,280
and everyone was gung-ho on saying look

1469
00:54:17,349 --> 00:54:15,839
we need to be proactive

1470
00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:17,359
on how

1471
00:54:21,510 --> 00:54:19,440
first off how we're addressing this in

1472
00:54:22,950 --> 00:54:21,520
the disclosure

1473
00:54:25,270 --> 00:54:22,960
movement as it comes for us in this

1474
00:54:26,309 --> 00:54:25,280
disclosure era

1475
00:54:29,589 --> 00:54:26,319
and

1476
00:54:33,109 --> 00:54:29,599
reaction

1477
00:54:36,309 --> 00:54:33,119
and uh to the subject matter and

1478
00:54:38,870 --> 00:54:36,319
again focusing on contact abduction and

1479
00:54:40,950 --> 00:54:38,880
witness testimonies but making sure

1480
00:54:43,349 --> 00:54:40,960
those people are protected someone just

1481
00:54:45,510 --> 00:54:43,359
said talking points exactly um we're

1482
00:54:47,510 --> 00:54:45,520
going to have a website

1483
00:54:49,109 --> 00:54:47,520
that will not only be a resource if

1484
00:54:50,950 --> 00:54:49,119
people do need legal help or anything

1485
00:54:52,549 --> 00:54:50,960
but it will also be

1486
00:54:55,030 --> 00:54:52,559
or this is what i envision let's put it

1487
00:54:56,950 --> 00:54:55,040
that way so i can say until we it all

1488
00:55:00,470 --> 00:54:56,960
comes together but i envision it to be

1489
00:55:02,230 --> 00:55:00,480
that i envision for it to be a resource

1490
00:55:03,589 --> 00:55:02,240
for the media

1491
00:55:05,589 --> 00:55:03,599
on this subject should they have

1492
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:05,599
questions what are the facts again what

1493
00:55:10,950 --> 00:55:07,680
are the contact abduction witness

1494
00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:10,960
talking points for the media and for the

1495
00:55:15,349 --> 00:55:12,400
community

1496
00:55:16,870 --> 00:55:15,359
to so those who are inclined to be

1497
00:55:19,990 --> 00:55:16,880
addressed by the media in whatever

1498
00:55:22,630 --> 00:55:20,000
capacity that you have a place to to

1499
00:55:24,150 --> 00:55:22,640
reference beforehand to say these are

1500
00:55:26,549 --> 00:55:24,160
the talking points should i get asked

1501
00:55:29,430 --> 00:55:26,559
about this i have heard i've seen the

1502
00:55:31,589 --> 00:55:29,440
ball dropped and fumbled on this subject

1503
00:55:34,390 --> 00:55:31,599
by some of the people already out there

1504
00:55:36,789 --> 00:55:34,400
in the media um

1505
00:55:37,910 --> 00:55:36,799
lose quick to dance around it and avoid

1506
00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:37,920
it um

1507
00:55:42,630 --> 00:55:41,440
uh while i was just in the the new movie

1508
00:55:44,789 --> 00:55:42,640
uh um

1509
00:55:47,190 --> 00:55:44,799
extraordinary the revelations

1510
00:55:49,829 --> 00:55:47,200
and nick pope has a great deal in there

1511
00:55:51,910 --> 00:55:49,839
and he's speaking very favorable about

1512
00:55:54,390 --> 00:55:51,920
sometime

1513
00:55:56,470 --> 00:55:54,400
about the abduction stuff

1514
00:55:58,309 --> 00:55:56,480
in that context that movie i've also

1515
00:55:59,829 --> 00:55:58,319
seen him in some mainstream interviews

1516
00:56:02,150 --> 00:55:59,839
dance around it and avoid it you know

1517
00:56:03,910 --> 00:56:02,160
and and i get we're not going there yet

1518
00:56:05,910 --> 00:56:03,920
and there's a tendency to avoid but make

1519
00:56:07,349 --> 00:56:05,920
sure you don't reflect on it in a

1520
00:56:09,589 --> 00:56:07,359
negative sense and then someone who

1521
00:56:11,430 --> 00:56:09,599
unfortunately i i adore

1522
00:56:14,230 --> 00:56:11,440
but has made some negative comments

1523
00:56:18,069 --> 00:56:16,710
is ross cole heart

1524
00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:18,079
yeah i think that was taken out of

1525
00:56:23,190 --> 00:56:20,880
context okay okay well he

1526
00:56:25,349 --> 00:56:23,200
he's done it like three times now

1527
00:56:28,069 --> 00:56:25,359
okay so so

1528
00:56:30,950 --> 00:56:28,079
but but he just said on your panel

1529
00:56:33,430 --> 00:56:30,960
yesterday when he was on with ralph

1530
00:56:35,670 --> 00:56:33,440
blumenthal right he said

1531
00:56:37,510 --> 00:56:35,680
ralph i've read your new book

1532
00:56:40,390 --> 00:56:37,520
on john mack

1533
00:56:42,150 --> 00:56:40,400
and i think it helped

1534
00:56:43,670 --> 00:56:42,160
change his mind a little bit there or

1535
00:56:46,390 --> 00:56:43,680
put it in the right context because now

1536
00:56:49,270 --> 00:56:46,400
we can reference that which so yay

1537
00:56:51,270 --> 00:56:49,280
okay but i but it makes me go okay

1538
00:56:53,829 --> 00:56:51,280
i want this to be a resource that

1539
00:56:55,349 --> 00:56:53,839
someone like a ralph blumenthal like now

1540
00:56:58,630 --> 00:56:55,359
obviously he knows his stuff with his

1541
00:57:00,390 --> 00:56:58,640
work he did with dr mack but

1542
00:57:04,230 --> 00:57:00,400
but

1543
00:57:06,309 --> 00:57:04,240
uh

1544
00:57:08,470 --> 00:57:06,319
et cetera you know all these individuals

1545
00:57:10,069 --> 00:57:08,480
who are out there speaking to mainstream

1546
00:57:11,750 --> 00:57:10,079
media

1547
00:57:14,309 --> 00:57:11,760
can have a place or at least they can

1548
00:57:16,470 --> 00:57:14,319
even reference and say

1549
00:57:19,349 --> 00:57:16,480
here's somewhere about the the facts and

1550
00:57:21,670 --> 00:57:19,359
so so it's not that this organization's

1551
00:57:23,750 --> 00:57:21,680
replacing or becoming anything that the

1552
00:57:26,150 --> 00:57:23,760
major abduction research organizations

1553
00:57:28,390 --> 00:57:26,160
already are i made sure what it was

1554
00:57:31,030 --> 00:57:28,400
yvonne with ciro or or les valez with

1555
00:57:32,950 --> 00:57:31,040
opus and and and and you know as well as

1556
00:57:35,430 --> 00:57:32,960
caffeine and whitley and and every you

1557
00:57:37,190 --> 00:57:35,440
know all of them i um

1558
00:57:37,990 --> 00:57:37,200
i made sure

1559
00:57:39,510 --> 00:57:38,000
that

1560
00:57:40,950 --> 00:57:39,520
i said

1561
00:57:42,710 --> 00:57:40,960
look i don't you know i don't want to

1562
00:57:44,069 --> 00:57:42,720
reinvent the wheel this isn't to replace

1563
00:57:46,150 --> 00:57:44,079
what you guys are doing in your work

1564
00:57:49,910 --> 00:57:46,160
with helping abductees in your research

1565
00:57:52,870 --> 00:57:49,920
this is just to focus on

1566
00:57:54,789 --> 00:57:52,880
rights and protecting rights

1567
00:57:57,030 --> 00:57:54,799
for the experiencers

1568
00:57:59,670 --> 00:57:57,040
on

1569
00:58:01,910 --> 00:57:59,680
media outreach and and

1570
00:58:04,710 --> 00:58:01,920
like i said um being proactive not

1571
00:58:08,630 --> 00:58:04,720
reactive on the subject

1572
00:58:10,950 --> 00:58:08,640
and um and a resource for people whether

1573
00:58:12,630 --> 00:58:10,960
you're a media person or an abductee

1574
00:58:15,270 --> 00:58:12,640
going public or a researcher in the

1575
00:58:17,109 --> 00:58:15,280
field a place where you can get some

1576
00:58:18,630 --> 00:58:17,119
quick you know talking points and

1577
00:58:20,390 --> 00:58:18,640
information on this

1578
00:58:21,829 --> 00:58:20,400
so so we can

1579
00:58:23,990 --> 00:58:21,839
focus on the things that are the

1580
00:58:27,829 --> 00:58:24,000
evidence focus on like i said the

1581
00:58:29,990 --> 00:58:27,839
statistical data focus on this

1582
00:58:33,510 --> 00:58:30,000
psychological part the psychology the

1583
00:58:37,589 --> 00:58:33,520
the that aspect of it

1584
00:58:39,990 --> 00:58:37,599
um so people understand

1585
00:58:41,589 --> 00:58:40,000
how difficult that's one thing beautiful

1586
00:58:42,870 --> 00:58:41,599
about being in the movie extraordinary

1587
00:58:43,750 --> 00:58:42,880
the seating

1588
00:58:47,670 --> 00:58:43,760
is

1589
00:58:51,349 --> 00:58:47,680
live with it

1590
00:58:52,230 --> 00:58:51,359
and uh and i was really quite happy

1591
00:58:55,670 --> 00:58:52,240
with

1592
00:58:57,510 --> 00:58:55,680
now granted when you go out you see the

1593
00:58:59,190 --> 00:58:57,520
mainstream reviews about that some

1594
00:59:00,069 --> 00:58:59,200
people are harsh they just don't buy it

1595
00:59:03,030 --> 00:59:00,079
at all

1596
00:59:05,030 --> 00:59:03,040
but it was going that way far step of

1597
00:59:07,270 --> 00:59:05,040
talking about hybrids and the

1598
00:59:10,069 --> 00:59:07,280
hybridization program

1599
00:59:12,230 --> 00:59:10,079
and hybrid parents and and their

1600
00:59:14,150 --> 00:59:12,240
emotions and so some people was just too

1601
00:59:16,630 --> 00:59:14,160
much for

1602
00:59:18,789 --> 00:59:16,640
and that's okay but it got them thinking

1603
00:59:20,549 --> 00:59:18,799
it got them thinking and and now they're

1604
00:59:23,510 --> 00:59:20,559
introduced to the subject even if they

1605
00:59:25,510 --> 00:59:23,520
had an initial negative reaction to it

1606
00:59:27,829 --> 00:59:25,520
but i think everyone would realize the

1607
00:59:30,710 --> 00:59:27,839
emotional impact of the film and take

1608
00:59:32,309 --> 00:59:30,720
that into con consideration and then and

1609
00:59:33,589 --> 00:59:32,319
then so many people with those

1610
00:59:35,510 --> 00:59:33,599
experiences

1611
00:59:36,309 --> 00:59:35,520
have said i mean overwhelmingly have

1612
00:59:38,870 --> 00:59:36,319
said

1613
00:59:41,829 --> 00:59:38,880
thank you you know for what you guys did

1614
00:59:43,349 --> 00:59:41,839
with that movie and um and i and i

1615
00:59:45,109 --> 00:59:43,359
encourage people

1616
00:59:47,190 --> 00:59:45,119
if you're new to the hybrid thing or you

1617
00:59:49,430 --> 00:59:47,200
question it or you say you don't know

1618
00:59:51,670 --> 00:59:49,440
fortunately one thing it was

1619
00:59:53,190 --> 00:59:51,680
the makers of the film were given and

1620
00:59:54,150 --> 00:59:53,200
everyone says ah there's no evidence in

1621
00:59:55,430 --> 00:59:54,160
there none of these people shared

1622
00:59:56,390 --> 00:59:55,440
evidence ah

1623
00:59:58,710 --> 00:59:56,400
no

1624
01:00:01,910 --> 00:59:58,720
pardon

1625
01:00:03,829 --> 01:00:01,920
everyone of us who was in that movie

1626
01:00:07,030 --> 01:00:03,839
brought up the evidence and shared the

1627
01:00:09,109 --> 01:00:07,040
evidence and gave them photos and

1628
01:00:11,270 --> 01:00:09,119
documentation everything supporting the

1629
01:00:13,190 --> 01:00:11,280
evidence for their experiences but the

1630
01:00:15,349 --> 01:00:13,200
makers of the movie wanted to focus on

1631
01:00:16,710 --> 01:00:15,359
the emotional aspect and wanted to focus

1632
01:00:19,990 --> 01:00:16,720
on

1633
01:00:20,789 --> 01:00:20,000
how hard it was for the abductees right

1634
01:00:22,470 --> 01:00:20,799
so

1635
01:00:24,150 --> 01:00:22,480
that got left out

1636
01:00:25,510 --> 01:00:24,160
but it wasn't that we didn't have it it

1637
01:00:27,430 --> 01:00:25,520
wasn't there

1638
01:00:30,150 --> 01:00:27,440
and if anything i feel like

1639
01:00:32,870 --> 01:00:30,160
i should encourage uh john sumple jack

1640
01:00:34,230 --> 01:00:32,880
rock jack roth and lori wagner the

1641
01:00:36,630 --> 01:00:34,240
producers

1642
01:00:39,829 --> 01:00:36,640
to say you guys why not do another one

1643
01:00:42,390 --> 01:00:39,839
focus solely on the evidence

1644
01:00:44,150 --> 01:00:42,400
you've made three movies the last one

1645
01:00:46,150 --> 01:00:44,160
extraordinary the revelations got all

1646
01:00:47,910 --> 01:00:46,160
into

1647
01:00:50,150 --> 01:00:47,920
why are abductions happening you know

1648
01:00:52,150 --> 01:00:50,160
why is their contact why are they here

1649
01:00:54,829 --> 01:00:52,160
and it took it from three totally unique

1650
01:00:57,510 --> 01:00:54,839
and different viewpoints

1651
01:00:59,270 --> 01:00:57,520
controversial but they weren't siding

1652
01:01:00,870 --> 01:00:59,280
with anyone i happen to know what their

1653
01:01:02,470 --> 01:01:00,880
particular views are but but they

1654
01:01:04,309 --> 01:01:02,480
weren't citing in the movie with anyone

1655
01:01:06,390 --> 01:01:04,319
they're putting it out there to have

1656
01:01:09,510 --> 01:01:06,400
everybody

1657
01:01:11,510 --> 01:01:09,520
think on their own you know right yeah

1658
01:01:13,829 --> 01:01:11,520
and to introduce the major schools of

1659
01:01:15,670 --> 01:01:13,839
thought the major kind of world views on

1660
01:01:17,190 --> 01:01:15,680
on why it's happening

1661
01:01:19,670 --> 01:01:17,200
okay

1662
01:01:22,870 --> 01:01:21,349
thank you josh and artemis for the ten

1663
01:01:25,510 --> 01:01:22,880
dollars but yeah i've heard i think it

1664
01:01:27,829 --> 01:01:25,520
was james carrion mentioned it recently

1665
01:01:30,549 --> 01:01:27,839
well it's been a long

1666
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:30,559
time since i've um

1667
01:01:34,549 --> 01:01:31,920
talked about that looked at it blah blah

1668
01:01:37,190 --> 01:01:34,559
blah so uh one time i was pretty up on

1669
01:01:40,230 --> 01:01:37,200
it i just know

1670
01:01:41,589 --> 01:01:40,240
what they found in their abduction data

1671
01:01:43,349 --> 01:01:41,599
ends up

1672
01:01:45,109 --> 01:01:43,359
matching what is overall known in

1673
01:01:47,190 --> 01:01:45,119
abduction research so i guess i can say

1674
01:01:49,990 --> 01:01:47,200
yeah you know so if you're talking

1675
01:01:51,270 --> 01:01:50,000
the the statistics and and

1676
01:01:56,549 --> 01:01:51,280
and

1677
01:01:58,470 --> 01:01:56,559
of experiences that happen i can say yes

1678
01:02:00,309 --> 01:01:58,480
now the part of that that i was most

1679
01:02:02,789 --> 01:02:00,319
interested in were the questions that

1680
01:02:05,990 --> 01:02:02,799
they had for abductees regarding the

1681
01:02:08,069 --> 01:02:06,000
their millap experiences and the numbers

1682
01:02:10,230 --> 01:02:08,079
and stuff from that

1683
01:02:12,549 --> 01:02:10,240
as well as the organization free that

1684
01:02:14,390 --> 01:02:12,559
tacked on questions regarding that in

1685
01:02:17,029 --> 01:02:14,400
their questionnaire to well over four

1686
01:02:18,069 --> 01:02:17,039
thousand people uh is actually a bigger

1687
01:02:21,109 --> 01:02:18,079
sample

1688
01:02:22,150 --> 01:02:21,119
and um and very interesting results

1689
01:02:24,470 --> 01:02:22,160
there

1690
01:02:26,950 --> 01:02:24,480
i think both of them come up at about 10

1691
01:02:28,950 --> 01:02:26,960
or 12 percent of abductees are having

1692
01:02:29,910 --> 01:02:28,960
experiences with that i've always said

1693
01:02:30,789 --> 01:02:29,920
though they

1694
01:02:35,430 --> 01:02:30,799
asked

1695
01:02:37,270 --> 01:02:35,440
questions but then they

1696
01:02:39,190 --> 01:02:37,280
didn't include or excluded some

1697
01:02:40,789 --> 01:02:39,200
questions they should have asked

1698
01:02:43,190 --> 01:02:40,799
for instance um

1699
01:02:45,190 --> 01:02:43,200
none of them were really asking

1700
01:02:46,950 --> 01:02:45,200
in your alien abduction in your contact

1701
01:02:49,990 --> 01:02:46,960
abduction experience

1702
01:02:51,589 --> 01:02:50,000
um of seeing ets

1703
01:02:53,990 --> 01:02:51,599
were there

1704
01:02:56,870 --> 01:02:54,000
humans present either in military

1705
01:02:57,670 --> 01:02:56,880
uniform or in uh

1706
01:03:01,270 --> 01:02:57,680
um

1707
01:03:04,390 --> 01:03:01,280
suits or in you know or or other uh like

1708
01:03:07,190 --> 01:03:04,400
medical you know personnel present

1709
01:03:10,309 --> 01:03:07,200
and that question wasn't asked because a

1710
01:03:14,789 --> 01:03:12,069
seemingly an alien abduction but have

1711
01:03:16,630 --> 01:03:14,799
this other component also part of it

1712
01:03:19,270 --> 01:03:16,640
and uh

1713
01:03:21,510 --> 01:03:19,280
and and or with the ets feel that

1714
01:03:23,029 --> 01:03:21,520
they're taken to an underground military

1715
01:03:25,670 --> 01:03:23,039
base so there's a lot of what i call

1716
01:03:29,349 --> 01:03:25,680
these combined experiences

1717
01:03:31,589 --> 01:03:29,359
uh of people who have combined covert

1718
01:03:33,510 --> 01:03:31,599
human and ets involved and so there

1719
01:03:36,789 --> 01:03:33,520
weren't enough questions to kind of get

1720
01:03:39,670 --> 01:03:36,799
those numbers out of there

1721
01:03:41,670 --> 01:03:39,680
as well as other things

1722
01:03:44,549 --> 01:03:41,680
regarding harassment surveillance

1723
01:03:49,510 --> 01:03:44,559
questions because a lot of abductees so

1724
01:03:51,589 --> 01:03:49,520
i actually contend from my research

1725
01:03:54,230 --> 01:03:51,599
that i think conservatively

1726
01:03:55,190 --> 01:03:54,240
the numbers of people having

1727
01:04:01,750 --> 01:03:55,200
the

1728
01:04:02,870 --> 01:04:01,760
is about 40 percent of experiencers

1729
01:04:04,470 --> 01:04:02,880
now though

1730
01:04:07,349 --> 01:04:04,480
different polls and things where

1731
01:04:09,589 --> 01:04:07,359
questions were tacked on suggest like

1732
01:04:11,109 --> 01:04:09,599
10 10 to 15

1733
01:04:12,390 --> 01:04:11,119
but again they're leaving out some

1734
01:04:14,069 --> 01:04:12,400
questions that would

1735
01:04:16,390 --> 01:04:14,079
cause the numbers to go up they were

1736
01:04:18,309 --> 01:04:16,400
asking very specific questions that were

1737
01:04:21,349 --> 01:04:18,319
kind of also limiting the kind of

1738
01:04:22,789 --> 01:04:21,359
responses so given the limitation those

1739
01:04:25,430 --> 01:04:22,799
were actually a high percentage if

1740
01:04:30,309 --> 01:04:27,190
thousands hundreds of thousands or even

1741
01:04:32,309 --> 01:04:30,319
millions i mean the europa poll was done

1742
01:04:33,910 --> 01:04:32,319
suggesting over

1743
01:04:36,309 --> 01:04:33,920
close to i'll just say close to four

1744
01:04:38,829 --> 01:04:36,319
million people in the continental us

1745
01:04:41,510 --> 01:04:38,839
alone we're having abduction

1746
01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:41,520
experiences and so yeah and then there's

1747
01:04:46,950 --> 01:04:43,680
research organizations with

1748
01:04:50,150 --> 01:04:46,960
thousands and tens of thousands

1749
01:04:51,109 --> 01:04:50,160
of cases in their files

1750
01:04:52,870 --> 01:04:51,119
i know of a couple different

1751
01:04:54,630 --> 01:04:52,880
organizations with numbers that i of

1752
01:04:57,190 --> 01:04:54,640
research investigate wasn't just like

1753
01:04:58,950 --> 01:04:57,200
someone submitting a report this is

1754
01:05:01,910 --> 01:04:58,960
the person was interviewed they were

1755
01:05:04,549 --> 01:05:01,920
researched you know so yes you could say

1756
01:05:06,309 --> 01:05:04,559
the the the 4 500 or whatever it is that

1757
01:05:07,349 --> 01:05:06,319
the organization free has is a pretty

1758
01:05:09,029 --> 01:05:07,359
good number

1759
01:05:10,630 --> 01:05:09,039
now people said there was a bias there

1760
01:05:11,750 --> 01:05:10,640
but you guys not in all their questions

1761
01:05:13,270 --> 01:05:11,760
if you go in and you take the

1762
01:05:15,109 --> 01:05:13,280
questionnaire

1763
01:05:17,910 --> 01:05:15,119
not all the questions had that kind of

1764
01:05:19,430 --> 01:05:17,920
positive bias so they were getting

1765
01:05:20,829 --> 01:05:19,440
accurate numbers and i know a lot of

1766
01:05:23,829 --> 01:05:20,839
people who

1767
01:05:26,230 --> 01:05:23,839
responded you know now

1768
01:05:27,990 --> 01:05:26,240
was some of the lesser data it was never

1769
01:05:29,829 --> 01:05:28,000
thrown out it's put out there in their

1770
01:05:31,990 --> 01:05:29,839
reports and stuff and it was on their

1771
01:05:32,950 --> 01:05:32,000
website i believe it probably still is

1772
01:05:35,430 --> 01:05:32,960
but

1773
01:05:38,150 --> 01:05:35,440
that

1774
01:05:40,230 --> 01:05:38,160
data uh you know became lesser

1775
01:05:41,750 --> 01:05:40,240
significance in relationship to the

1776
01:05:44,309 --> 01:05:41,760
other numbers

1777
01:05:45,990 --> 01:05:44,319
but if even if you know even that aside

1778
01:05:47,829 --> 01:05:46,000
so many other research organizations

1779
01:05:50,309 --> 01:05:47,839
with so many cases and like i said a

1780
01:05:52,710 --> 01:05:50,319
roper poll again that that came back

1781
01:05:54,789 --> 01:05:52,720
from the roper organization there were

1782
01:05:58,309 --> 01:05:54,799
these key indicator questions that were

1783
01:06:00,230 --> 01:05:58,319
tacked on by the major researchers and

1784
01:06:01,910 --> 01:06:00,240
and uh

1785
01:06:04,870 --> 01:06:01,920
abduction researchers and abduction

1786
01:06:06,789 --> 01:06:04,880
research you know organizations kind of

1787
01:06:09,349 --> 01:06:06,799
tacked on these questions and it was all

1788
01:06:11,270 --> 01:06:09,359
paid for by the way by bigelow

1789
01:06:12,230 --> 01:06:11,280
at the time

1790
01:06:14,390 --> 01:06:12,240
and

1791
01:06:16,789 --> 01:06:14,400
yeah oh yeah that's you know i in my

1792
01:06:20,230 --> 01:06:16,799
history the working group talk i do this

1793
01:06:22,630 --> 01:06:20,240
whole timeline thing if you've seen it

1794
01:06:24,789 --> 01:06:22,640
where i break down

1795
01:06:26,069 --> 01:06:24,799
because my interest in why they look

1796
01:06:28,549 --> 01:06:26,079
into that melinda how did i get into

1797
01:06:30,870 --> 01:06:28,559
that was because realizing these guys

1798
01:06:33,029 --> 01:06:30,880
always had an interest in abductees and

1799
01:06:35,190 --> 01:06:33,039
abduction research and i was looking for

1800
01:06:36,870 --> 01:06:35,200
where are the correlations between

1801
01:06:39,349 --> 01:06:36,880
this group of individuals and their

1802
01:06:41,349 --> 01:06:39,359
knowledge and the millab stuff so i was

1803
01:06:44,150 --> 01:06:41,359
kind of looking at it from that filter

1804
01:06:45,109 --> 01:06:44,160
that angle but it grew and then i worked

1805
01:06:48,150 --> 01:06:45,119
with a

1806
01:06:50,870 --> 01:06:48,160
research associate randy kopang

1807
01:06:52,870 --> 01:06:50,880
on that research over 30 years of

1808
01:06:53,990 --> 01:06:52,880
research him and i've done

1809
01:06:58,870 --> 01:06:54,000
and

1810
01:07:00,870 --> 01:06:58,880
information was in there so kind of grew

1811
01:07:03,750 --> 01:07:00,880
but i admit my

1812
01:07:05,750 --> 01:07:03,760
primary focus all along was these guys

1813
01:07:08,549 --> 01:07:05,760
always had an interest in abductees and

1814
01:07:09,829 --> 01:07:08,559
abductions you guys when kit green says

1815
01:07:11,670 --> 01:07:09,839
and i think you guys addressed this

1816
01:07:13,670 --> 01:07:11,680
yesterday or they talked about it on the

1817
01:07:15,349 --> 01:07:13,680
panel this morning you know this famous

1818
01:07:17,510 --> 01:07:15,359
kind of apparently statement or

1819
01:07:19,589 --> 01:07:17,520
something from kick green oh the alien

1820
01:07:22,950 --> 01:07:19,599
abductions aren't real you guys kit

1821
01:07:25,109 --> 01:07:22,960
green was a member of the working group

1822
01:07:26,309 --> 01:07:25,119
from day one okay

1823
01:07:32,870 --> 01:07:26,319
nids

1824
01:07:35,589 --> 01:07:32,880
assap a tip to the stars etc

1825
01:07:37,510 --> 01:07:35,599
okay kit's been in there all along and

1826
01:07:38,950 --> 01:07:37,520
with the bigelow in the years i called

1827
01:07:40,230 --> 01:07:38,960
the missing years you know i'm in

1828
01:07:41,510 --> 01:07:40,240
between

1829
01:07:43,190 --> 01:07:41,520
okay

1830
01:07:45,750 --> 01:07:43,200
you guys

1831
01:07:48,950 --> 01:07:45,760
they studied abductees they paid for

1832
01:07:52,230 --> 01:07:48,960
abduction research repeatedly they paid

1833
01:07:55,430 --> 01:07:52,240
for mufon's abduction research okay they

1834
01:07:56,789 --> 01:07:55,440
paid for the mit study i mean these guys

1835
01:07:59,510 --> 01:07:56,799
okay and

1836
01:08:00,870 --> 01:07:59,520
and the infamous carpenter affair and

1837
01:08:03,190 --> 01:08:00,880
everything that came up with john

1838
01:08:05,750 --> 01:08:03,200
carpenter submitting abductees reports

1839
01:08:07,109 --> 01:08:05,760
without their permission this has all

1840
01:08:09,510 --> 01:08:07,119
been

1841
01:08:11,670 --> 01:08:09,520
bigelow in those guys and yet let's just

1842
01:08:13,829 --> 01:08:11,680
spend the money but the but the guys

1843
01:08:16,149 --> 01:08:13,839
have been the researchers

1844
01:08:18,149 --> 01:08:16,159
okay and it's been the same group of

1845
01:08:19,510 --> 01:08:18,159
guys now it's changed a few times yeah

1846
01:08:21,349 --> 01:08:19,520
different members you know who came in

1847
01:08:23,110 --> 01:08:21,359
later blah blah blah but there's been

1848
01:08:25,269 --> 01:08:23,120
kind of core group

1849
01:08:28,229 --> 01:08:25,279
and you guys forget to say that when i

1850
01:08:31,269 --> 01:08:28,239
have documents with his name on it

1851
01:08:33,269 --> 01:08:31,279
talking about abduction research results

1852
01:08:34,870 --> 01:08:33,279
they paid for all the i don't know if

1853
01:08:37,189 --> 01:08:34,880
they paid for all but they paid for a

1854
01:08:40,789 --> 01:08:37,199
bunch of the surgeries by the late dr

1855
01:08:42,550 --> 01:08:40,799
roger lear in implant removals

1856
01:08:43,590 --> 01:08:42,560
and they were getting the metallurgical

1857
01:08:48,550 --> 01:08:43,600
results

1858
01:08:49,910 --> 01:08:48,560
his surgeries

1859
01:08:51,829 --> 01:08:49,920
okay

1860
01:08:53,430 --> 01:08:51,839
when when the wilson document came out

1861
01:08:55,510 --> 01:08:53,440
everyone talks about the wilson memo

1862
01:08:57,030 --> 01:08:55,520
right wilson notes i should say yeah

1863
01:08:59,030 --> 01:08:57,040
david notes about his meeting with

1864
01:09:01,269 --> 01:08:59,040
wilson more accurately

1865
01:09:04,229 --> 01:09:01,279
and then of course the infamous emails

1866
01:09:06,229 --> 01:09:04,239
that came out with that in dr

1867
01:09:07,749 --> 01:09:06,239
edgar mitchell's files but there was

1868
01:09:10,470 --> 01:09:07,759
another document that people aren't

1869
01:09:11,510 --> 01:09:10,480
talking about and it it was an internal

1870
01:09:14,309 --> 01:09:11,520
memo

1871
01:09:16,470 --> 01:09:14,319
for nids and bass at the time

1872
01:09:18,950 --> 01:09:16,480
which talked about the results from

1873
01:09:21,030 --> 01:09:18,960
working with a bunch of abductees and

1874
01:09:21,990 --> 01:09:21,040
metallurgical results from implants and

1875
01:09:23,669 --> 01:09:22,000
that they were going to have this

1876
01:09:25,590 --> 01:09:23,679
meeting about it no one's bringing up

1877
01:09:28,070 --> 01:09:25,600
that and i'm like you guys

1878
01:09:30,309 --> 01:09:28,080
this shows that these guys

1879
01:09:32,070 --> 01:09:30,319
this i mean this in itself and it's the

1880
01:09:34,870 --> 01:09:32,080
original document

1881
01:09:36,789 --> 01:09:34,880
is on the nid's letterhead

1882
01:09:38,630 --> 01:09:36,799
okay so you go and it was a letter to

1883
01:09:41,430 --> 01:09:38,640
all them was actually not all i should

1884
01:09:42,950 --> 01:09:41,440
say it was to the science advisory board

1885
01:09:44,630 --> 01:09:42,960
we're having a meeting come up where

1886
01:09:47,349 --> 01:09:44,640
we're going to discuss

1887
01:09:50,070 --> 01:09:47,359
abductees and abduction evidence

1888
01:09:50,950 --> 01:09:50,080
and what we have on it okay so you guys

1889
01:09:51,910 --> 01:09:50,960
you go

1890
01:09:57,270 --> 01:09:51,920
you know

1891
01:09:59,350 --> 01:09:57,280
not real when he has a history of

1892
01:10:00,070 --> 01:09:59,360
researching and investigating and by the

1893
01:10:02,229 --> 01:10:00,080
way

1894
01:10:05,030 --> 01:10:02,239
they're doing the kade putamen on

1895
01:10:07,750 --> 01:10:05,040
abductees i mean the the mri research i

1896
01:10:10,950 --> 01:10:07,760
should say yeah kate putin on abductees

1897
01:10:11,910 --> 01:10:10,960
they're doing blood work from abductees

1898
01:10:14,390 --> 01:10:11,920
so

1899
01:10:16,470 --> 01:10:14,400
dude why now either i questioned did he

1900
01:10:18,630 --> 01:10:16,480
really say that where did that quote

1901
01:10:20,550 --> 01:10:18,640
coming from and if he did really say

1902
01:10:22,229 --> 01:10:20,560
that someone needed to jump down his

1903
01:10:25,430 --> 01:10:22,239
throat and say why

1904
01:10:27,189 --> 01:10:25,440
given you have this whole history

1905
01:10:29,350 --> 01:10:27,199
you know they're not spending all that

1906
01:10:32,630 --> 01:10:29,360
time energy and money because they don't

1907
01:10:35,030 --> 01:10:32,640
think abductions are real or important

1908
01:10:36,709 --> 01:10:35,040
okay come on come on the thing is as

1909
01:10:38,390 --> 01:10:36,719
well with robert bigelow being involved

1910
01:10:39,189 --> 01:10:38,400
we know with a lot of the awesome data

1911
01:10:41,430 --> 01:10:39,199
from

1912
01:10:43,189 --> 01:10:41,440
the bus studies there that it's just

1913
01:10:44,390 --> 01:10:43,199
hidden away it's not publicly available

1914
01:10:47,590 --> 01:10:44,400
do you think a lot of the abduction

1915
01:10:49,590 --> 01:10:47,600
research that he's involved in with or

1916
01:10:52,070 --> 01:10:49,600
previously with is that hidden away as

1917
01:10:53,910 --> 01:10:52,080
well you know and not available

1918
01:10:56,709 --> 01:10:53,920
he never published anything he sat on

1919
01:10:59,189 --> 01:10:56,719
everything come on did anything

1920
01:11:01,950 --> 01:10:59,199
from the working group

1921
01:11:06,630 --> 01:11:01,960
bigelow's involvement from

1922
01:11:11,030 --> 01:11:09,430
85 from 85 till now at least we could

1923
01:11:14,630 --> 01:11:11,040
have we have a paper trail going back to

1924
01:11:15,990 --> 01:11:14,640
85 1985. okay did anything biglow ever

1925
01:11:18,470 --> 01:11:16,000
paid for

1926
01:11:20,310 --> 01:11:18,480
whether it was the working group avery

1927
01:11:23,030 --> 01:11:20,320
nids you know you can go boom boom boom

1928
01:11:25,110 --> 01:11:23,040
boom you know nids bass awesome

1929
01:11:26,390 --> 01:11:25,120
did anything ever get published or come

1930
01:11:29,590 --> 01:11:26,400
out

1931
01:11:31,750 --> 01:11:29,600
not that i can think of oh yeah exactly

1932
01:11:33,510 --> 01:11:31,760
you know so yeah did any of their

1933
01:11:35,189 --> 01:11:33,520
abduction stuff come out now did

1934
01:11:38,470 --> 01:11:35,199
anything come out no

1935
01:11:42,310 --> 01:11:38,480
you know and um

1936
01:11:43,750 --> 01:11:42,320
yeah i mean they sat on everything and

1937
01:11:47,270 --> 01:11:43,760
now you know

1938
01:11:49,590 --> 01:11:47,280
granted and and even even now first much

1939
01:11:52,070 --> 01:11:49,600
as lou and chris know they're not saying

1940
01:11:54,630 --> 01:11:52,080
it now they're claiming they're ndas and

1941
01:11:56,630 --> 01:11:54,640
that may be fully 100 ed

1942
01:11:57,910 --> 01:11:56,640
but they're not saying it

1943
01:11:59,990 --> 01:11:57,920
you know

1944
01:12:01,990 --> 01:12:00,000
and now granted i give them credit for

1945
01:12:03,750 --> 01:12:02,000
everything they've done no doubt i mean

1946
01:12:07,030 --> 01:12:03,760
no doubt and and

1947
01:12:09,430 --> 01:12:07,040
and i applaud them and their heroes but

1948
01:12:12,790 --> 01:12:09,440
does that make them perfect no does that

1949
01:12:14,790 --> 01:12:12,800
make them 100 truthful no does that

1950
01:12:16,149 --> 01:12:14,800
make them you know coming out with

1951
01:12:17,750 --> 01:12:16,159
everything they can't well not

1952
01:12:19,350 --> 01:12:17,760
necessarily you know

1953
01:12:21,270 --> 01:12:19,360
um but

1954
01:12:22,310 --> 01:12:21,280
again they've done so much for us so i

1955
01:12:24,709 --> 01:12:22,320
you know i have

1956
01:12:26,950 --> 01:12:24,719
nothing but appreciation of course

1957
01:12:29,270 --> 01:12:26,960
i mean we're here and we have gillibrand

1958
01:12:30,790 --> 01:12:29,280
because of them i mean i think you know

1959
01:12:33,750 --> 01:12:30,800
i'm probably not alone and saying yeah i

1960
01:12:35,030 --> 01:12:33,760
think chris wrote that thing

1961
01:12:36,950 --> 01:12:35,040
you know

1962
01:12:38,870 --> 01:12:36,960
or at least had a lot of influence on

1963
01:12:41,510 --> 01:12:38,880
its writing right

1964
01:12:44,229 --> 01:12:41,520
and yeah yeah i think that's i mean i'm

1965
01:12:44,950 --> 01:12:44,239
not alone in thinking that um

1966
01:12:47,910 --> 01:12:44,960
so

1967
01:12:50,550 --> 01:12:47,920
yeah i mean i i i appreciate you know

1968
01:12:51,590 --> 01:12:50,560
everything but

1969
01:12:54,149 --> 01:12:51,600
and maybe it's just because they're

1970
01:12:55,830 --> 01:12:54,159
nda's they can't talk maybe but i also

1971
01:12:58,070 --> 01:12:55,840
think there's more they have a path

1972
01:13:01,030 --> 01:12:58,080
history with this group i i know some i

1973
01:13:02,790 --> 01:13:01,040
can't go into great deal until um

1974
01:13:04,630 --> 01:13:02,800
someone i uh

1975
01:13:06,550 --> 01:13:04,640
yeah i'll just say someone i know

1976
01:13:08,870 --> 01:13:06,560
actually a couple um

1977
01:13:11,430 --> 01:13:08,880
that we're having meetings back at atip

1978
01:13:13,669 --> 01:13:11,440
with lou at bigelow

1979
01:13:15,430 --> 01:13:13,679
um way back when

1980
01:13:17,350 --> 01:13:15,440
and uh

1981
01:13:19,030 --> 01:13:17,360
and so early on when this was first

1982
01:13:21,270 --> 01:13:19,040
breaking in the times they immediately

1983
01:13:22,790 --> 01:13:21,280
told me we were there

1984
01:13:24,790 --> 01:13:22,800
and they have all this you know

1985
01:13:26,149 --> 01:13:24,800
information documentation of when they

1986
01:13:27,510 --> 01:13:26,159
were there with them

1987
01:13:30,070 --> 01:13:27,520
and um

1988
01:13:32,709 --> 01:13:30,080
and and and abduction stuff was even

1989
01:13:34,470 --> 01:13:32,719
talked about that you know so you guys

1990
01:13:36,310 --> 01:13:34,480
it's always been that's my point to

1991
01:13:38,229 --> 01:13:36,320
researching the history of the group is

1992
01:13:39,990 --> 01:13:38,239
they always had an involvement and an

1993
01:13:42,149 --> 01:13:40,000
interest in abductions

1994
01:13:43,669 --> 01:13:42,159
that was my reason for looking into them

1995
01:13:45,669 --> 01:13:43,679
and i learned a lot of other stuff

1996
01:13:48,470 --> 01:13:45,679
looking into them you know

1997
01:13:50,709 --> 01:13:48,480
and uh um and i was so

1998
01:13:53,030 --> 01:13:50,719
glad when the the new skinwalker book

1999
01:13:55,430 --> 01:13:53,040
came out because i had been saying for

2000
01:13:57,510 --> 01:13:55,440
years com kelleher was the director of

2001
01:13:59,110 --> 01:13:57,520
assap i had figured that out and when

2002
01:14:01,270 --> 01:13:59,120
they came out and said that i'm like

2003
01:14:02,630 --> 01:14:01,280
thank god vindicated

2004
01:14:03,830 --> 01:14:02,640
and i had a lot of people get back to me

2005
01:14:04,870 --> 01:14:03,840
and say were you already saying that i'm

2006
01:14:06,709 --> 01:14:04,880
like yeah

2007
01:14:09,110 --> 01:14:06,719
i'm saying that

2008
01:14:11,750 --> 01:14:09,120
i've been saying that for

2009
01:14:14,229 --> 01:14:11,760
i don't know five years at least

2010
01:14:16,870 --> 01:14:14,239
anyway so luckily you know i got backed

2011
01:14:18,709 --> 01:14:16,880
up on that but um

2012
01:14:20,390 --> 01:14:18,719
and and played a bigger role so now

2013
01:14:21,750 --> 01:14:20,400
we're starting to go keller is a little

2014
01:14:23,590 --> 01:14:21,760
bit more involved in all this whole

2015
01:14:25,830 --> 01:14:23,600
thing yeah he was always involved

2016
01:14:27,189 --> 01:14:25,840
because every time bigelow funded all

2017
01:14:31,830 --> 01:14:27,199
these things

2018
01:14:35,430 --> 01:14:32,630
okay

2019
01:14:37,110 --> 01:14:35,440
no mystery now we know you know and and

2020
01:14:39,510 --> 01:14:37,120
i was glad that that

2021
01:14:42,709 --> 01:14:39,520
you know it came out it you know

2022
01:14:45,189 --> 01:14:42,719
i mean just it just spoke to

2023
01:14:46,470 --> 01:14:45,199
these guys's involvement like i said and

2024
01:14:48,229 --> 01:14:46,480
um

2025
01:14:50,790 --> 01:14:48,239
and god only knows what all they have

2026
01:14:53,430 --> 01:14:50,800
that they sat on you know you know as

2027
01:14:55,590 --> 01:14:53,440
far as data and findings and everything

2028
01:14:58,470 --> 01:14:55,600
well they talk about this huge database

2029
01:15:01,910 --> 01:14:58,480
the biggest uap related database

2030
01:15:03,030 --> 01:15:01,920
ever that obviously isn't public i mean

2031
01:15:04,390 --> 01:15:03,040
gosh

2032
01:15:06,070 --> 01:15:04,400
what i didn't want to do to see that i

2033
01:15:07,910 --> 01:15:06,080
can imagine i know

2034
01:15:11,110 --> 01:15:07,920
everything they have i mean it'd be

2035
01:15:12,390 --> 01:15:11,120
interesting to see any of it and

2036
01:15:14,950 --> 01:15:12,400
now they have a

2037
01:15:17,669 --> 01:15:14,960
a plausible cover that when they got the

2038
01:15:20,149 --> 01:15:17,679
funding for ossep the creation of assap

2039
01:15:22,070 --> 01:15:20,159
out of bass was because that's when they

2040
01:15:23,669 --> 01:15:22,080
got the pentagon funding you know yeah

2041
01:15:24,709 --> 01:15:23,679
and the pentagon came in so it wasn't

2042
01:15:26,870 --> 01:15:24,719
just

2043
01:15:29,350 --> 01:15:26,880
bleeding you know bigelow you know they

2044
01:15:31,110 --> 01:15:29,360
got help but at that point came the ndas

2045
01:15:33,669 --> 01:15:31,120
and blah blah blah blah you know well

2046
01:15:34,470 --> 01:15:33,679
actually see all these guys have

2047
01:15:36,390 --> 01:15:34,480
uh

2048
01:15:37,910 --> 01:15:36,400
they have science and intelligence

2049
01:15:40,550 --> 01:15:37,920
backgrounds and stuff that they'll re

2050
01:15:41,910 --> 01:15:40,560
incorporate and you know corporate

2051
01:15:44,870 --> 01:15:41,920
governmental

2052
01:15:47,510 --> 01:15:44,880
and and intelligence community ndas

2053
01:15:49,990 --> 01:15:47,520
pretty much the whole gang and of course

2054
01:15:51,669 --> 01:15:50,000
so all along there were things they

2055
01:15:54,790 --> 01:15:51,679
couldn't talk about

2056
01:15:57,830 --> 01:15:54,800
but doing all this research in you know

2057
01:15:59,590 --> 01:15:57,840
since the 80s in this field and sitting

2058
01:16:00,950 --> 01:15:59,600
on it

2059
01:16:03,910 --> 01:16:00,960
you know

2060
01:16:06,550 --> 01:16:03,920
and having real money backing them

2061
01:16:08,630 --> 01:16:06,560
i mean how much other serious research

2062
01:16:10,709 --> 01:16:08,640
in the community could have been done

2063
01:16:12,390 --> 01:16:10,719
with money from you know that kind of

2064
01:16:14,870 --> 01:16:12,400
money like bigelow has

2065
01:16:17,030 --> 01:16:14,880
and yet these guys had it and yet none

2066
01:16:18,310 --> 01:16:17,040
of their data has been shared so anyways

2067
01:16:20,950 --> 01:16:18,320
that's just

2068
01:16:23,510 --> 01:16:20,960
we got on a huge side issue there hi

2069
01:16:25,830 --> 01:16:23,520
gary all right jerry vaughan jr thank

2070
01:16:27,910 --> 01:16:25,840
you so much my friend merry christmas to

2071
01:16:30,709 --> 01:16:27,920
you and the family also man

2072
01:16:33,830 --> 01:16:30,719
wow yeah yeah absolutely absolutely what

2073
01:16:35,590 --> 01:16:33,840
a guy thank you so much yeah and yes

2074
01:16:36,950 --> 01:16:35,600
absolutely wow that's a big amount wow

2075
01:16:38,310 --> 01:16:36,960
thank you

2076
01:16:39,910 --> 01:16:38,320
there you go vinnie there's a christmas

2077
01:16:42,390 --> 01:16:39,920
present oh by the way that's what i was

2078
01:16:44,790 --> 01:16:42,400
saying the gillibrand amendment i say

2079
01:16:47,110 --> 01:16:44,800
congress house and senate gave us an

2080
01:16:49,750 --> 01:16:47,120
incredible christmas present

2081
01:16:51,910 --> 01:16:49,760
yeah yeah we just need bayern to sign it

2082
01:16:53,910 --> 01:16:51,920
off he's got a couple more days yeah

2083
01:16:56,070 --> 01:16:53,920
i i think he will before christmas no

2084
01:16:57,110 --> 01:16:56,080
problem i have not heard i'd tell

2085
01:16:59,189 --> 01:16:57,120
someone

2086
01:17:01,430 --> 01:16:59,199
go in the chat there and say it if

2087
01:17:03,430 --> 01:17:01,440
you've heard any hang up

2088
01:17:06,709 --> 01:17:03,440
on any part of the nda by the white

2089
01:17:09,030 --> 01:17:06,719
house i'm not hearing anything now may

2090
01:17:10,790 --> 01:17:09,040
you know maybe i'm just not catching

2091
01:17:14,310 --> 01:17:10,800
enough mainstream news or something but

2092
01:17:16,390 --> 01:17:14,320
i'm not hearing any hang up so i suspect

2093
01:17:17,830 --> 01:17:16,400
you know this is sunday i i suspect

2094
01:17:19,750 --> 01:17:17,840
tomorrow monday

2095
01:17:21,110 --> 01:17:19,760
monday or tuesday he'll probably sign it

2096
01:17:22,709 --> 01:17:21,120
i mean you know definitely sign it

2097
01:17:23,510 --> 01:17:22,719
before christmas eve

2098
01:17:25,750 --> 01:17:23,520
yeah

2099
01:17:27,830 --> 01:17:25,760
i've not heard of any

2100
01:17:30,229 --> 01:17:27,840
holed up by the by the white house on

2101
01:17:34,390 --> 01:17:30,239
anything in there you know i mean last

2102
01:17:37,590 --> 01:17:34,400
year trump held it up but it had such

2103
01:17:39,270 --> 01:17:37,600
huge uh passage numbers that they didn't

2104
01:17:40,630 --> 01:17:39,280
require signatures they could just go oh

2105
01:17:43,750 --> 01:17:40,640
you're not okay we'll just go and pass

2106
01:17:45,750 --> 01:17:43,760
it right it didn't require so guess what

2107
01:17:46,470 --> 01:17:45,760
it has that many signatures again it

2108
01:17:50,950 --> 01:17:46,480
does

2109
01:17:51,990 --> 01:17:50,960
know but

2110
01:17:53,990 --> 01:17:52,000
i think

2111
01:17:56,229 --> 01:17:54,000
because you know

2112
01:17:58,310 --> 01:17:56,239
so much went in not just on this issue i

2113
01:18:02,550 --> 01:17:58,320
mean obviously this issue is a very very

2114
01:18:04,390 --> 01:18:02,560
minor thing in in the total ndaa but

2115
01:18:06,550 --> 01:18:04,400
but obviously uh

2116
01:18:11,590 --> 01:18:06,560
so much went into the ndaa in its

2117
01:18:15,350 --> 01:18:13,430
there was a particular reason or two

2118
01:18:17,430 --> 01:18:15,360
supposedly last year that trump held it

2119
01:18:19,270 --> 01:18:17,440
up and didn't agree to sign it again i'm

2120
01:18:20,550 --> 01:18:19,280
not that was all talked about beforehand

2121
01:18:22,630 --> 01:18:20,560
none of i think nothing's being talked

2122
01:18:23,990 --> 01:18:22,640
about to my knowledge that biden

2123
01:18:26,390 --> 01:18:24,000
wouldn't just go ahead and sign this so

2124
01:18:27,830 --> 01:18:26,400
i expect it'll get signed right away

2125
01:18:30,310 --> 01:18:27,840
and we'll have to break up the champagne

2126
01:18:32,390 --> 01:18:30,320
again vinnie i'll join you

2127
01:18:34,630 --> 01:18:32,400
oh yes that would be great well i mean i

2128
01:18:35,990 --> 01:18:34,640
wouldn't be surprised if we don't start

2129
01:18:38,870 --> 01:18:36,000
hearing things trickling out into the

2130
01:18:40,390 --> 01:18:38,880
media until january to be honest i think

2131
01:18:41,990 --> 01:18:40,400
people will get christmas in the new

2132
01:18:43,590 --> 01:18:42,000
year out of the way and then you know

2133
01:18:44,950 --> 01:18:43,600
we've got some good reporters out there

2134
01:18:48,070 --> 01:18:44,960
we've got some that been away gary

2135
01:18:50,630 --> 01:18:48,080
schwartz um i think he's nbc

2136
01:18:52,229 --> 01:18:50,640
he's been away having a baby and i think

2137
01:18:55,030 --> 01:18:52,239
he's back he's certainly popped back up

2138
01:18:57,590 --> 01:18:55,040
on twitter is he was he the one that

2139
01:18:58,390 --> 01:18:57,600
asked the questions of

2140
01:19:01,910 --> 01:18:58,400
the

2141
01:19:03,590 --> 01:19:01,920
pentagon spokesperson was that him

2142
01:19:05,669 --> 01:19:03,600
he did a lot earlier on around the time

2143
01:19:07,990 --> 01:19:05,679
of june the june report but he was doing

2144
01:19:09,669 --> 01:19:08,000
features actually on on tv as well as

2145
01:19:11,669 --> 01:19:09,679
writing articles as well so he covered

2146
01:19:13,189 --> 01:19:11,679
it very well so hopefully he'll start

2147
01:19:14,790 --> 01:19:13,199
picking up the bat on it so i thought

2148
01:19:17,350 --> 01:19:14,800
whoever that last gentleman was that

2149
01:19:19,030 --> 01:19:17,360
asked such good questions of the oh

2150
01:19:19,830 --> 01:19:19,040
you're thinking

2151
01:19:22,310 --> 01:19:19,840
yeah

2152
01:19:25,270 --> 01:19:22,320
and did you mean travis

2153
01:19:27,430 --> 01:19:25,280
so we know he's going to jump on this um

2154
01:19:29,830 --> 01:19:27,440
yeah no i think i think there's a few

2155
01:19:32,790 --> 01:19:29,840
poised people to bring up the questions

2156
01:19:34,950 --> 01:19:32,800
and and after this is signed if there's

2157
01:19:36,870 --> 01:19:34,960
any press conference with at least if

2158
01:19:38,630 --> 01:19:36,880
not with buying at least with jen saki

2159
01:19:39,510 --> 01:19:38,640
i'm hoping that people

2160
01:19:41,830 --> 01:19:39,520
uh

2161
01:19:44,550 --> 01:19:41,840
there the press who are there will will

2162
01:19:46,630 --> 01:19:44,560
bring it up and ask questions and uh

2163
01:19:48,390 --> 01:19:46,640
yeah which you know and then she says it

2164
01:19:55,110 --> 01:19:48,400
that's

2165
01:19:58,870 --> 01:19:55,120
to work right okay

2166
01:20:01,750 --> 01:19:58,880
i have no doubt um so um

2167
01:20:03,750 --> 01:20:01,760
uh yeah so you know i i think you know

2168
01:20:06,070 --> 01:20:03,760
we'll get another christmas present

2169
01:20:07,270 --> 01:20:06,080
we'll get the big christmas present and

2170
01:20:08,870 --> 01:20:07,280
and again though maybe you know if

2171
01:20:11,510 --> 01:20:08,880
there's some media attention that would

2172
01:20:14,550 --> 01:20:11,520
that would be great and uh and and we

2173
01:20:16,470 --> 01:20:14,560
need that for that awareness um i mean

2174
01:20:19,590 --> 01:20:16,480
it's real yeah i'm informing my clients

2175
01:20:22,390 --> 01:20:19,600
on every single tour i'm bringing it up

2176
01:20:24,310 --> 01:20:22,400
as i tour making sure those people know

2177
01:20:27,030 --> 01:20:24,320
and they may know a little but sometimes

2178
01:20:29,750 --> 01:20:27,040
they've kind of got stuff

2179
01:20:31,590 --> 01:20:29,760
a little disjointed you know

2180
01:20:33,510 --> 01:20:31,600
where they know just tiny bits but don't

2181
01:20:35,750 --> 01:20:33,520
really you know but but

2182
01:20:36,870 --> 01:20:35,760
it seems you know very few i mean

2183
01:20:38,950 --> 01:20:36,880
occasionally i have someone if i

2184
01:20:40,390 --> 01:20:38,960
mentioned julia brown and they they know

2185
01:20:42,550 --> 01:20:40,400
you know occasionally because a few

2186
01:20:44,390 --> 01:20:42,560
people are listening to you and

2187
01:20:46,790 --> 01:20:44,400
following things online and doing things

2188
01:20:48,629 --> 01:20:46,800
you know i mean thanks to to not only

2189
01:20:51,030 --> 01:20:48,639
yourself but the other

2190
01:20:54,149 --> 01:20:51,040
podcasters and people out there who who

2191
01:20:57,270 --> 01:20:54,159
are putting the information out

2192
01:20:59,430 --> 01:20:57,280
and uh i think if everyone grows their

2193
01:21:01,990 --> 01:20:59,440
their audiences because everyone's

2194
01:21:04,229 --> 01:21:02,000
having very good guests and very good

2195
01:21:06,470 --> 01:21:04,239
conversations very thoughtful

2196
01:21:09,030 --> 01:21:06,480
um i'm impressed by the level of

2197
01:21:12,390 --> 01:21:09,040
intelligence you know uh

2198
01:21:14,229 --> 01:21:12,400
by the hosts and their guests and uh so

2199
01:21:15,750 --> 01:21:14,239
you know that's that's a good sign and i

2200
01:21:18,390 --> 01:21:15,760
think you guys you know

2201
01:21:21,189 --> 01:21:18,400
we have slow news times on this subject

2202
01:21:22,629 --> 01:21:21,199
you know um

2203
01:21:25,510 --> 01:21:22,639
if these reports that are coming out

2204
01:21:27,350 --> 01:21:25,520
every 90 days and then the public ones

2205
01:21:29,270 --> 01:21:27,360
twice a year well does that mean we're

2206
01:21:31,030 --> 01:21:29,280
waiting six months for information i i

2207
01:21:33,110 --> 01:21:31,040
think so much is going to go on in

2208
01:21:35,750 --> 01:21:33,120
between well i don't think there'll be a

2209
01:21:37,510 --> 01:21:35,760
shortage of news but

2210
01:21:39,350 --> 01:21:37,520
again that's when you can go back to the

2211
01:21:41,590 --> 01:21:39,360
historic data

2212
01:21:43,669 --> 01:21:41,600
and bring your audiences up to speed on

2213
01:21:46,550 --> 01:21:43,679
the evidence and the historic data and

2214
01:21:48,390 --> 01:21:46,560
even talk about abductions and stuff so

2215
01:21:50,390 --> 01:21:48,400
at least your audience is getting that

2216
01:21:53,270 --> 01:21:50,400
information

2217
01:21:55,669 --> 01:21:53,280
even if we're in a slow news

2218
01:21:56,950 --> 01:21:55,679
time on anything going on in disclosure

2219
01:21:58,709 --> 01:21:56,960
but

2220
01:22:00,709 --> 01:21:58,719
obviously there's going to be major news

2221
01:22:03,189 --> 01:22:00,719
times because there's going to be

2222
01:22:05,030 --> 01:22:03,199
the the 90 day reports that the twice

2223
01:22:06,149 --> 01:22:05,040
yearly reports the

2224
01:22:08,149 --> 01:22:06,159
the

2225
01:22:09,910 --> 01:22:08,159
senate and congressmen talking about it

2226
01:22:11,590 --> 01:22:09,920
the movement towards hearings if we

2227
01:22:14,149 --> 01:22:11,600
start hearing that you know so i think

2228
01:22:16,709 --> 01:22:14,159
we're gonna have tons of constant news

2229
01:22:18,550 --> 01:22:16,719
but uh i i encourage everyone keep this

2230
01:22:20,709 --> 01:22:18,560
alive and well don't get discouraged if

2231
01:22:22,229 --> 01:22:20,719
there's a quote slow time because there

2232
01:22:25,189 --> 01:22:22,239
will be you know there'll be times when

2233
01:22:27,910 --> 01:22:25,199
this isn't the major thing going on

2234
01:22:30,229 --> 01:22:27,920
and and hopefully it'll be also become a

2235
01:22:32,229 --> 01:22:30,239
major mainstream news story that's what

2236
01:22:34,950 --> 01:22:32,239
i know we're all hoping for

2237
01:22:36,950 --> 01:22:34,960
and uh that's you know

2238
01:22:38,470 --> 01:22:36,960
one thing that we all want to

2239
01:22:39,830 --> 01:22:38,480
be out there

2240
01:22:43,430 --> 01:22:39,840
encouraging

2241
01:22:46,070 --> 01:22:43,440
you know people

2242
01:22:47,830 --> 01:22:46,080
uh who do have a media attention whether

2243
01:22:48,790 --> 01:22:47,840
like i said it's

2244
01:22:50,950 --> 01:22:48,800
um

2245
01:22:52,709 --> 01:22:50,960
well we mentioned ross and of course lou

2246
01:22:55,669 --> 01:22:52,719
and chris and everybody you know so

2247
01:22:57,110 --> 01:22:55,679
anyone and even blumenthal and stuff you

2248
01:22:58,470 --> 01:22:57,120
know leslie

2249
01:23:01,189 --> 01:22:58,480
uh to have

2250
01:23:03,830 --> 01:23:01,199
you know um

2251
01:23:06,310 --> 01:23:03,840
to to be getting the information out out

2252
01:23:08,790 --> 01:23:06,320
there and addressing it in the

2253
01:23:10,629 --> 01:23:08,800
mainstream uh i mean they already are

2254
01:23:12,709 --> 01:23:10,639
and i and i trust

2255
01:23:14,470 --> 01:23:12,719
you know most of them when sat in front

2256
01:23:16,229 --> 01:23:14,480
of the camera or the mic they're saying

2257
01:23:19,030 --> 01:23:16,239
the right thing you know

2258
01:23:20,470 --> 01:23:19,040
but but but going back to my starting

2259
01:23:22,390 --> 01:23:20,480
that organization

2260
01:23:24,950 --> 01:23:22,400
part of that was realizing over the last

2261
01:23:27,350 --> 01:23:24,960
year there have been a few missteps on

2262
01:23:28,950 --> 01:23:27,360
the contact abduction subject you know

2263
01:23:31,270 --> 01:23:28,960
so that's why i thought okay well we

2264
01:23:32,390 --> 01:23:31,280
need to have some media talking points

2265
01:23:33,430 --> 01:23:32,400
and stuff

2266
01:23:36,870 --> 01:23:33,440
and

2267
01:23:39,350 --> 01:23:36,880
the major researchers should a media

2268
01:23:41,669 --> 01:23:39,360
be looking to address that or ask

2269
01:23:43,350 --> 01:23:41,679
questions because it's not see

2270
01:23:45,030 --> 01:23:43,360
it's not oh well it's not being included

2271
01:23:46,390 --> 01:23:45,040
so therefore they're not gonna look no

2272
01:23:48,390 --> 01:23:46,400
they're gonna have those questions

2273
01:23:49,669 --> 01:23:48,400
because it's not being addressed

2274
01:23:50,629 --> 01:23:49,679
they're going to say well what about

2275
01:23:52,229 --> 01:23:50,639
this

2276
01:23:55,270 --> 01:23:52,239
and again i don't want that to have a

2277
01:23:57,830 --> 01:23:55,280
negative spin i don't want that to go to

2278
01:24:01,990 --> 01:23:59,830
the possibility of increased ridicule

2279
01:24:03,189 --> 01:24:02,000
because it's not being covered and

2280
01:24:06,629 --> 01:24:03,199
therefore

2281
01:24:08,390 --> 01:24:06,639
they all go to the goofy stuff on this

2282
01:24:10,870 --> 01:24:08,400
so we need to let media

2283
01:24:12,629 --> 01:24:10,880
agencies and stuff know they're serious

2284
01:24:14,310 --> 01:24:12,639
researchers on this subject that can

2285
01:24:16,310 --> 01:24:14,320
answer your questions based upon

2286
01:24:18,310 --> 01:24:16,320
evidence and facts so you're not

2287
01:24:20,470 --> 01:24:18,320
grabbing the first tinfoil hat we're an

2288
01:24:22,470 --> 01:24:20,480
idiot out there you guys i've produced

2289
01:24:24,550 --> 01:24:22,480
conferences where i've seen them i've

2290
01:24:27,510 --> 01:24:24,560
been there

2291
01:24:29,510 --> 01:24:27,520
to help steer the media people coming in

2292
01:24:31,590 --> 01:24:29,520
away from the people who show up in the

2293
01:24:32,950 --> 01:24:31,600
tin foil hats and the goofy alien

2294
01:24:34,390 --> 01:24:32,960
costumes

2295
01:24:36,070 --> 01:24:34,400
you guys when you go to a conference

2296
01:24:39,430 --> 01:24:36,080
please don't do that you're making us

2297
01:24:41,030 --> 01:24:39,440
all look like idiots don't do it

2298
01:24:43,669 --> 01:24:41,040
you go if you're a speaker at a

2299
01:24:46,629 --> 01:24:43,679
conference gentlemen wear a suit coat

2300
01:24:48,310 --> 01:24:46,639
and tie loose a coat please unless it's

2301
01:24:50,790 --> 01:24:48,320
like contact in the desert it's 110

2302
01:24:52,149 --> 01:24:50,800
outside then like okay well you're a low

2303
01:24:54,470 --> 01:24:52,159
you're cold but you know what i mean i

2304
01:24:56,870 --> 01:24:54,480
mean yeah but i'm saying you know your

2305
01:24:58,390 --> 01:24:56,880
image women you know be professional you

2306
01:25:00,870 --> 01:24:58,400
know

2307
01:25:03,430 --> 01:25:00,880
you're representing

2308
01:25:05,430 --> 01:25:03,440
the rest of the community

2309
01:25:08,310 --> 01:25:05,440
you're representing

2310
01:25:10,229 --> 01:25:08,320
you know and the the media will go to

2311
01:25:13,189 --> 01:25:10,239
the person in the alien costume the

2312
01:25:15,990 --> 01:25:13,199
person in the tin foil hat though you

2313
01:25:18,390 --> 01:25:16,000
know i've i've seen it so many times

2314
01:25:19,990 --> 01:25:18,400
yeah yeah i mean we've had i've been at

2315
01:25:22,550 --> 01:25:20,000
conferences

2316
01:25:26,070 --> 01:25:22,560
where then the media walked away because

2317
01:25:26,870 --> 01:25:26,080
the conference producers would not allow

2318
01:25:28,790 --> 01:25:26,880
them

2319
01:25:30,870 --> 01:25:28,800
to talk to those people

2320
01:25:33,750 --> 01:25:30,880
no you know here's the researchers

2321
01:25:35,669 --> 01:25:33,760
here's here's 10 people you can talk to

2322
01:25:37,030 --> 01:25:35,679
and and they no they said we know we

2323
01:25:39,030 --> 01:25:37,040
want to go over there with those people

2324
01:25:40,950 --> 01:25:39,040
wearing the crazy costumes and stuff and

2325
01:25:43,350 --> 01:25:40,960
then they left because we said no you

2326
01:25:44,950 --> 01:25:43,360
can't interview those people

2327
01:25:46,629 --> 01:25:44,960
you know now

2328
01:25:48,470 --> 01:25:46,639
now should there be a limitation blah

2329
01:25:51,189 --> 01:25:48,480
blah blah no but if you're showing up in

2330
01:25:53,669 --> 01:25:51,199
a crazy costume in a thing you're either

2331
01:25:55,830 --> 01:25:53,679
not serious

2332
01:25:57,590 --> 01:25:55,840
trying to make it look bad or you

2333
01:25:59,750 --> 01:25:57,600
yourself are really completely fantasy

2334
01:26:02,470 --> 01:25:59,760
prone you know

2335
01:26:04,070 --> 01:26:02,480
more than likely you know and and the

2336
01:26:06,470 --> 01:26:04,080
media are gonna make you look like an

2337
01:26:07,910 --> 01:26:06,480
idiot just like they always do

2338
01:26:10,070 --> 01:26:07,920
yeah absolutely hopefully that's

2339
01:26:11,990 --> 01:26:10,080
changing hopefully everything going on

2340
01:26:13,030 --> 01:26:12,000
will change all that but again that's

2341
01:26:14,790 --> 01:26:13,040
why i said we've got to have an

2342
01:26:16,709 --> 01:26:14,800
organization so we're

2343
01:26:18,390 --> 01:26:16,719
proactive in our approach not

2344
01:26:19,910 --> 01:26:18,400
reactionary we're not going to wait

2345
01:26:22,470 --> 01:26:19,920
until they go what about this goofy

2346
01:26:23,990 --> 01:26:22,480
abduction stuff you know and then if

2347
01:26:25,750 --> 01:26:24,000
they do we need to say well here's some

2348
01:26:26,709 --> 01:26:25,760
serious researchers here's a website

2349
01:26:29,110 --> 01:26:26,719
here's

2350
01:26:31,270 --> 01:26:29,120
people that can talk about it

2351
01:26:33,270 --> 01:26:31,280
and also maybe proactively

2352
01:26:35,510 --> 01:26:33,280
getting out on shows you're like yours

2353
01:26:37,669 --> 01:26:35,520
and others you know i talked to ian

2354
01:26:39,590 --> 01:26:37,679
doley today you know and and stuff it's

2355
01:26:41,750 --> 01:26:39,600
like hey how about

2356
01:26:43,510 --> 01:26:41,760
how about having some of the people from

2357
01:26:46,310 --> 01:26:43,520
this group once once we have our first

2358
01:26:48,229 --> 01:26:46,320
zoom and we all are like okay you know i

2359
01:26:50,149 --> 01:26:48,239
mean i mean i think we're all okay now

2360
01:26:53,350 --> 01:26:50,159
but you know let us have a meeting or

2361
01:26:55,669 --> 01:26:53,360
two but then you know in january how

2362
01:26:57,350 --> 01:26:55,679
about having some of these folks on you

2363
01:26:59,350 --> 01:26:57,360
know to talk to it

2364
01:27:01,270 --> 01:26:59,360
yeah yeah definitely i love having the

2365
01:27:03,510 --> 01:27:01,280
conversation because you know it's new

2366
01:27:04,870 --> 01:27:03,520
to me this side of the the subject and

2367
01:27:06,470 --> 01:27:04,880
i'm always willing to have any kind of

2368
01:27:07,750 --> 01:27:06,480
conversation and put the information out

2369
01:27:10,070 --> 01:27:07,760
there and let people make up their own

2370
01:27:11,750 --> 01:27:10,080
minds so i'd love that you know like you

2371
01:27:13,830 --> 01:27:11,760
say have your meetings and then in the

2372
01:27:15,510 --> 01:27:13,840
new year bring some people and let's

2373
01:27:17,350 --> 01:27:15,520
have an even bigger conversation i think

2374
01:27:19,590 --> 01:27:17,360
that'd be fantastic because i mean i

2375
01:27:21,030 --> 01:27:19,600
knew you knew the list of names i i read

2376
01:27:22,870 --> 01:27:21,040
and these oh you're having hitters and

2377
01:27:24,310 --> 01:27:22,880
they all they all they all have a strong

2378
01:27:26,470 --> 01:27:24,320
opinion they have a strong opinion on

2379
01:27:28,629 --> 01:27:26,480
this as soon as i called them and said i

2380
01:27:31,350 --> 01:27:28,639
have this idea i talked to dan we want

2381
01:27:32,550 --> 01:27:31,360
to do this everyone was like hell yeah

2382
01:27:34,470 --> 01:27:32,560
so you know

2383
01:27:35,910 --> 01:27:34,480
they're like count me in you know and

2384
01:27:37,590 --> 01:27:35,920
then they're like let's do this and this

2385
01:27:39,350 --> 01:27:37,600
and this and i'm like whoa so when we

2386
01:27:41,430 --> 01:27:39,360
first have our first meetings there's

2387
01:27:43,830 --> 01:27:41,440
going to be a lot of to-do lists

2388
01:27:46,390 --> 01:27:43,840
generated you know but uh they're

2389
01:27:48,550 --> 01:27:46,400
they're all they all said

2390
01:27:51,430 --> 01:27:48,560
nine doesn't need to happen it needed to

2391
01:27:53,350 --> 01:27:51,440
happen previously we're overdue

2392
01:27:55,830 --> 01:27:53,360
and we risk as

2393
01:27:58,390 --> 01:27:55,840
fast moving as this

2394
01:28:01,030 --> 01:27:58,400
disclosure stuff is we risk

2395
01:28:03,430 --> 01:28:01,040
having to be reactionary so the quicker

2396
01:28:05,590 --> 01:28:03,440
we do this and get it going the more we

2397
01:28:07,750 --> 01:28:05,600
can have a voice a voice in the

2398
01:28:09,189 --> 01:28:07,760
conversation a unified voice in the

2399
01:28:11,830 --> 01:28:09,199
conversation

2400
01:28:14,390 --> 01:28:11,840
directed away from

2401
01:28:16,950 --> 01:28:14,400
ridicule silliness goofiness

2402
01:28:19,189 --> 01:28:16,960
fear mongering whatever you know

2403
01:28:21,430 --> 01:28:19,199
yeah absolutely uh shout out to kelly

2404
01:28:23,590 --> 01:28:21,440
lee dodge thank you so much you're very

2405
01:28:25,430 --> 01:28:23,600
generous and very kind so thank you so

2406
01:28:27,270 --> 01:28:25,440
much well melinda we're just about to

2407
01:28:28,790 --> 01:28:27,280
hear an hour and a half um obviously i'd

2408
01:28:30,390 --> 01:28:28,800
love to have you back with this panel in

2409
01:28:31,750 --> 01:28:30,400
the new year but i'd like to come back

2410
01:28:34,470 --> 01:28:31,760
as well on your own and talk about the

2411
01:28:36,629 --> 01:28:34,480
mill abs and the working group as well

2412
01:28:37,910 --> 01:28:36,639
um because i mean that's a whole

2413
01:28:39,830 --> 01:28:37,920
another aspect

2414
01:28:42,709 --> 01:28:39,840
how long i don't know how long we had

2415
01:28:44,310 --> 01:28:42,719
today did you want to get more into

2416
01:28:46,310 --> 01:28:44,320
some of the abduction experience stuff

2417
01:28:47,750 --> 01:28:46,320
yeah by all means yeah yeah happy too i

2418
01:28:49,270 --> 01:28:47,760
i didn't want to i didn't want to wait

2419
01:28:50,950 --> 01:28:49,280
two hours or i didn't know how long this

2420
01:28:52,390 --> 01:28:50,960
was yeah we can go two hours i just

2421
01:28:53,590 --> 01:28:52,400
didn't want to push if

2422
01:28:55,590 --> 01:28:53,600
if he didn't want to talk about it but

2423
01:28:58,870 --> 01:28:55,600
please oh no no no it's just that other

2424
01:29:01,910 --> 01:28:58,880
stuff i'm so passionate about that group

2425
01:29:04,149 --> 01:29:01,920
and i'm so thrilled that my 18 people

2426
01:29:06,310 --> 01:29:04,159
all wanted to participate

2427
01:29:09,590 --> 01:29:06,320
and i you know i want to bring that up

2428
01:29:11,430 --> 01:29:09,600
and and and why it's needed you know

2429
01:29:12,950 --> 01:29:11,440
people go well you know what abductions

2430
01:29:15,510 --> 01:29:12,960
are just going to mess stuff up if we

2431
01:29:17,590 --> 01:29:15,520
talk about it now you know and i'm like

2432
01:29:19,990 --> 01:29:17,600
no first off you guys

2433
01:29:22,629 --> 01:29:20,000
just like that book coming out bringing

2434
01:29:24,070 --> 01:29:22,639
up some more of the bizarre stuff it is

2435
01:29:25,910 --> 01:29:24,080
part of the phenomena there is a

2436
01:29:27,590 --> 01:29:25,920
consciousness interaction i say to my

2437
01:29:29,350 --> 01:29:27,600
clients every night on the tour the

2438
01:29:31,030 --> 01:29:29,360
attitude of my clients have everything

2439
01:29:33,830 --> 01:29:31,040
to do with the quality of the sightings

2440
01:29:35,830 --> 01:29:33,840
completely 100 you know and the nights

2441
01:29:37,830 --> 01:29:35,840
why now it doesn't mean coming going i

2442
01:29:39,750 --> 01:29:37,840
believe in ufos dammit now or even

2443
01:29:42,229 --> 01:29:39,760
coming saying i have signs all the time

2444
01:29:44,550 --> 01:29:42,239
no no it's the people who come on the

2445
01:29:46,070 --> 01:29:44,560
tour and go i'm just here to have a good

2446
01:29:47,830 --> 01:29:46,080
time

2447
01:29:49,350 --> 01:29:47,840
i've had a previous sighting i don't

2448
01:29:51,030 --> 01:29:49,360
care if we have them or not i'm just

2449
01:29:53,030 --> 01:29:51,040
here to have a good time

2450
01:29:55,110 --> 01:29:53,040
um this is fun

2451
01:29:56,709 --> 01:29:55,120
you know um

2452
01:29:57,990 --> 01:29:56,719
and they come with a positive attitude

2453
01:30:00,629 --> 01:29:58,000
they're really nice to all the other

2454
01:30:02,070 --> 01:30:00,639
clients those nights we have the best

2455
01:30:03,510 --> 01:30:02,080
sightings

2456
01:30:04,950 --> 01:30:03,520
i've just got a couple of people just

2457
01:30:06,390 --> 01:30:04,960
i've just noticed the chat here asking

2458
01:30:08,470 --> 01:30:06,400
about the photos you've got on the wall

2459
01:30:11,590 --> 01:30:08,480
in the background there that look quite

2460
01:30:14,950 --> 01:30:11,600
you oh yeah yeah well this

2461
01:30:16,470 --> 01:30:14,960
um see if i knew this this this is a map

2462
01:30:19,669 --> 01:30:16,480
of

2463
01:30:20,390 --> 01:30:19,679
sedona see there's cathedral rock right

2464
01:30:21,189 --> 01:30:20,400
there

2465
01:30:23,430 --> 01:30:21,199
um

2466
01:30:25,910 --> 01:30:23,440
and i have

2467
01:30:27,510 --> 01:30:25,920
spirals in it marking vortexes and pins

2468
01:30:30,390 --> 01:30:27,520
marking

2469
01:30:32,709 --> 01:30:30,400
sightings and abductions and whatnot i

2470
01:30:34,310 --> 01:30:32,719
have a key on the wall over there

2471
01:30:36,070 --> 01:30:34,320
there's the key if you kind of it's

2472
01:30:37,830 --> 01:30:36,080
blurry but that's that

2473
01:30:40,950 --> 01:30:37,840
and um

2474
01:30:44,470 --> 01:30:40,960
and so these these pictures and whatnot

2475
01:30:47,270 --> 01:30:44,480
um are of sightings in the area not one

2476
01:30:50,149 --> 01:30:47,280
time i had like a little ufo research

2477
01:30:52,950 --> 01:30:51,750
and i had a separate little office in

2478
01:30:53,910 --> 01:30:52,960
the back than where i am now in the

2479
01:30:56,550 --> 01:30:53,920
building

2480
01:30:57,750 --> 01:30:56,560
and uh and so i had it done up with ufo

2481
01:31:00,790 --> 01:30:57,760
pictures

2482
01:31:02,790 --> 01:31:00,800
and whatnot well i've because i do

2483
01:31:04,310 --> 01:31:02,800
readings too i've slowly switched over

2484
01:31:06,870 --> 01:31:04,320
time to having it be a little bit more

2485
01:31:08,629 --> 01:31:06,880
of a appropriate space for my readings

2486
01:31:10,629 --> 01:31:08,639
because i wasn't having people come in

2487
01:31:12,550 --> 01:31:10,639
like before the tours they meet me at

2488
01:31:14,390 --> 01:31:12,560
the center for new age we meet up front

2489
01:31:16,390 --> 01:31:14,400
and so they're not coming in in my

2490
01:31:18,310 --> 01:31:16,400
office there's really no reason to and i

2491
01:31:20,070 --> 01:31:18,320
was almost going to do way with this big

2492
01:31:22,550 --> 01:31:20,080
map and the pictures around it but it

2493
01:31:25,669 --> 01:31:22,560
was such a labor of love when i did it

2494
01:31:28,709 --> 01:31:25,679
and it does show like all the local

2495
01:31:31,110 --> 01:31:28,719
i have a sightings and orb things and

2496
01:31:32,629 --> 01:31:31,120
haunted and paranormal events the ufo

2497
01:31:34,629 --> 01:31:32,639
hot spots

2498
01:31:36,310 --> 01:31:34,639
significant sightings with witnesses or

2499
01:31:38,070 --> 01:31:36,320
different color pin and of course

2500
01:31:40,229 --> 01:31:38,080
abductions are also on there too as i

2501
01:31:43,590 --> 01:31:40,239
get those accounts in the area

2502
01:31:45,270 --> 01:31:43,600
and um and this this area is a hot spot

2503
01:31:47,189 --> 01:31:45,280
meaning this area all of sedona and

2504
01:31:49,110 --> 01:31:47,199
surrounding area it's such a hot spot

2505
01:31:50,790 --> 01:31:49,120
for constant sightings and other

2506
01:31:52,870 --> 01:31:50,800
paranormal events so

2507
01:31:54,629 --> 01:31:52,880
so like i said even though i kind of

2508
01:31:55,990 --> 01:31:54,639
switched up the office i've decided i'm

2509
01:31:57,590 --> 01:31:56,000
going to keep

2510
01:32:01,510 --> 01:31:57,600
keep that because it's such a labor of

2511
01:32:02,870 --> 01:32:01,520
love and eventually um

2512
01:32:04,550 --> 01:32:02,880
kind of replace some of these with some

2513
01:32:05,910 --> 01:32:04,560
better ones but you know i have pictures

2514
01:32:07,750 --> 01:32:05,920
of

2515
01:32:09,830 --> 01:32:07,760
sightings and craft and anyways that's

2516
01:32:11,510 --> 01:32:09,840
that's what all that is um

2517
01:32:12,950 --> 01:32:11,520
so just gonna quickly ask with regards

2518
01:32:15,510 --> 01:32:12,960
to all the sightings that you do with

2519
01:32:17,110 --> 01:32:15,520
the tours do you collect the data and

2520
01:32:18,950 --> 01:32:17,120
share it with people like mufon or

2521
01:32:19,990 --> 01:32:18,960
anybody like that

2522
01:32:24,709 --> 01:32:20,000
uh

2523
01:32:28,310 --> 01:32:24,719
no okay i'm just too busy

2524
01:32:33,590 --> 01:32:30,870
at at times with some of the

2525
01:32:37,110 --> 01:32:33,600
structurecraft sightings i did go and

2526
01:32:38,950 --> 01:32:37,120
report on the mufon database and also

2527
01:32:41,350 --> 01:32:38,960
report to the national ufo reporting

2528
01:32:42,470 --> 01:32:41,360
center peter davenport's thing

2529
01:32:44,310 --> 01:32:42,480
um

2530
01:32:45,990 --> 01:32:44,320
unfortunately not all of them in fact

2531
01:32:48,790 --> 01:32:46,000
i've only done it with like five or six

2532
01:32:51,590 --> 01:32:48,800
of them and and yet we've had so many

2533
01:32:54,070 --> 01:32:51,600
major structural structure craft signs

2534
01:32:55,830 --> 01:32:54,080
that at some point i may go back and

2535
01:32:57,350 --> 01:32:55,840
re-enter some of those like at least

2536
01:32:59,830 --> 01:32:57,360
another

2537
01:33:02,709 --> 01:32:59,840
10 of them at least you know um for some

2538
01:33:03,910 --> 01:33:02,719
of the best ones you know that we had

2539
01:33:05,990 --> 01:33:03,920
and so

2540
01:33:08,070 --> 01:33:06,000
but we just see stuff all the time so it

2541
01:33:10,470 --> 01:33:08,080
became like i would having i would have

2542
01:33:12,229 --> 01:33:10,480
to go every day and spend hours filling

2543
01:33:13,590 --> 01:33:12,239
out that stuff

2544
01:33:15,350 --> 01:33:13,600
now luckily it doesn't take that long

2545
01:33:17,110 --> 01:33:15,360
but still it takes a while you got to go

2546
01:33:19,669 --> 01:33:17,120
through and write up something and i

2547
01:33:21,110 --> 01:33:19,679
just i just don't have the time so

2548
01:33:23,350 --> 01:33:21,120
but at least

2549
01:33:25,510 --> 01:33:23,360
like i said out of the 58 structure

2550
01:33:27,590 --> 01:33:25,520
craft at least if i can get like 20 of

2551
01:33:29,350 --> 01:33:27,600
those up there besides the like the five

2552
01:33:30,870 --> 01:33:29,360
that are you know there already and even

2553
01:33:32,149 --> 01:33:30,880
some of those i thought i need to update

2554
01:33:33,270 --> 01:33:32,159
those reports

2555
01:33:35,750 --> 01:33:33,280
um

2556
01:33:37,669 --> 01:33:35,760
but anyhow and and with a few of the

2557
01:33:39,030 --> 01:33:37,679
times i have reported it's really nice

2558
01:33:41,110 --> 01:33:39,040
they've they've had an investigator

2559
01:33:42,870 --> 01:33:41,120
whether it's mufon or peter davenport

2560
01:33:44,070 --> 01:33:42,880
himself with national ufo points there

2561
01:33:48,790 --> 01:33:44,080
but

2562
01:33:52,070 --> 01:33:48,800
interview me and my witnesses and

2563
01:33:54,070 --> 01:33:52,080
whatnot and uh you know because i i'm

2564
01:33:56,550 --> 01:33:54,080
quick to say he these are the witnesses

2565
01:33:57,350 --> 01:33:56,560
and before i report an experience like

2566
01:33:59,189 --> 01:33:57,360
that

2567
01:34:00,790 --> 01:33:59,199
i've asked the witnesses do you mind if

2568
01:34:02,470 --> 01:34:00,800
i report this i just make sure at the

2569
01:34:04,470 --> 01:34:02,480
end of the night if we've had structure

2570
01:34:06,709 --> 01:34:04,480
craft i say or a really really

2571
01:34:07,830 --> 01:34:06,719
significant other sighting because

2572
01:34:09,189 --> 01:34:07,840
occasionally we can have something

2573
01:34:10,870 --> 01:34:09,199
really close

2574
01:34:13,110 --> 01:34:10,880
and still not see the structure still

2575
01:34:15,030 --> 01:34:13,120
not see the hard edge the metal but yet

2576
01:34:17,030 --> 01:34:15,040
have a really close significant sighting

2577
01:34:18,950 --> 01:34:17,040
so um

2578
01:34:21,110 --> 01:34:18,960
so you know that's not even included in

2579
01:34:23,750 --> 01:34:21,120
the 58 the 58 or when we can see you

2580
01:34:26,070 --> 01:34:23,760
know when we can see metal you know

2581
01:34:28,229 --> 01:34:26,080
you know and so um

2582
01:34:29,990 --> 01:34:28,239
or at least hard edge you know and and

2583
01:34:31,750 --> 01:34:30,000
it wasn't just like one person on the

2584
01:34:34,229 --> 01:34:31,760
tour saying oh i think it's a disc or a

2585
01:34:36,229 --> 01:34:34,239
triangle or a cylinder no if i have 12

2586
01:34:38,470 --> 01:34:36,239
people out there i wanted

2587
01:34:40,709 --> 01:34:38,480
at least 10 if not 11 of the 12 to be

2588
01:34:42,709 --> 01:34:40,719
certain that they all saw the exact same

2589
01:34:43,590 --> 01:34:42,719
thing before i report it

2590
01:34:45,910 --> 01:34:43,600
you know

2591
01:34:47,669 --> 01:34:45,920
yeah so and usually everyone does i mean

2592
01:34:49,590 --> 01:34:47,679
in fact i've not had a structure craft

2593
01:34:51,270 --> 01:34:49,600
tour where

2594
01:34:52,870 --> 01:34:51,280
where the other clients weren't also

2595
01:34:55,109 --> 01:34:52,880
sure what they saw you know i leave that

2596
01:34:56,390 --> 01:34:55,119
possibility that someone could have gone

2597
01:34:58,470 --> 01:34:56,400
curled up in the car because they're

2598
01:35:01,350 --> 01:34:58,480
cold or falling asleep or

2599
01:35:04,390 --> 01:35:01,360
taking a pee in the bushes

2600
01:35:06,550 --> 01:35:04,400
but you know so far everyone has agreed

2601
01:35:09,350 --> 01:35:06,560
and everyone's you know seen it so when

2602
01:35:12,629 --> 01:35:09,360
um when we've had them and um

2603
01:35:14,310 --> 01:35:12,639
uh one significant event i i led it

2604
01:35:16,229 --> 01:35:14,320
wasn't here in sedona it was in the

2605
01:35:19,270 --> 01:35:16,239
california desert

2606
01:35:21,510 --> 01:35:19,280
i was just filmed for witness ufo tv

2607
01:35:24,149 --> 01:35:21,520
show with host ben hansen

2608
01:35:26,390 --> 01:35:24,159
and we're going to be the first show of

2609
01:35:28,390 --> 01:35:26,400
the new season and i just talked to some

2610
01:35:30,310 --> 01:35:28,400
of the producers again because

2611
01:35:31,910 --> 01:35:30,320
they needed me to submit a bunch of

2612
01:35:33,669 --> 01:35:31,920
still photos of

2613
01:35:35,430 --> 01:35:33,679
myself and my tours and stuff so i did

2614
01:35:37,270 --> 01:35:35,440
that

2615
01:35:39,030 --> 01:35:37,280
but anyhow so uh

2616
01:35:41,030 --> 01:35:39,040
uh yeah we're supposed to be the first

2617
01:35:42,790 --> 01:35:41,040
show the new season sometime they i

2618
01:35:45,350 --> 01:35:42,800
think they're thinking like i think

2619
01:35:46,709 --> 01:35:45,360
february is when it starts so but i'll

2620
01:35:49,430 --> 01:35:46,719
be putting that out there on twitter and

2621
01:35:51,669 --> 01:35:49,440
facebook as soon as i have a date so um

2622
01:35:54,470 --> 01:35:51,679
but that but that was really fun and it

2623
01:35:57,030 --> 01:35:54,480
was it was a huge event with over 60

2624
01:35:59,590 --> 01:35:57,040
witnesses now unfortunately for the show

2625
01:36:00,950 --> 01:35:59,600
um one gentleman a friend of mine who

2626
01:36:03,189 --> 01:36:00,960
was there

2627
01:36:05,430 --> 01:36:03,199
with a video camera filming filming at

2628
01:36:07,990 --> 01:36:05,440
the event they interviewed him his

2629
01:36:10,470 --> 01:36:08,000
name's graham graham

2630
01:36:12,790 --> 01:36:10,480
and they interviewed graham and me

2631
01:36:16,149 --> 01:36:12,800
and uh and of course with ben hansen he

2632
01:36:18,950 --> 01:36:16,159
has another female host um so if anyone

2633
01:36:20,470 --> 01:36:18,960
watches witness ufo uh but again i'll be

2634
01:36:21,590 --> 01:36:20,480
sharing it when that you know whenever i

2635
01:36:23,750 --> 01:36:21,600
have anything

2636
01:36:25,510 --> 01:36:23,760
going up going on

2637
01:36:26,470 --> 01:36:25,520
whether it's a speaking engagement a tv

2638
01:36:29,189 --> 01:36:26,480
an interview

2639
01:36:30,870 --> 01:36:29,199
but i try to i usually will get it out

2640
01:36:32,470 --> 01:36:30,880
there on uh

2641
01:36:34,550 --> 01:36:32,480
certainly you know

2642
01:36:36,870 --> 01:36:34,560
twitter and facebook

2643
01:36:38,629 --> 01:36:36,880
and anyhow you know and i tell people

2644
01:36:40,310 --> 01:36:38,639
they want to follow anything i do

2645
01:36:42,149 --> 01:36:40,320
research wise

2646
01:36:43,109 --> 01:36:42,159
appearances what you know whatever it

2647
01:36:44,709 --> 01:36:43,119
might be

2648
01:36:46,629 --> 01:36:44,719
follow me on facebook or twitter i'll

2649
01:36:48,870 --> 01:36:46,639
because i'll always put it both places

2650
01:36:51,030 --> 01:36:48,880
anyways i'll let you go to questions i'm

2651
01:36:52,790 --> 01:36:51,040
sorry i just i

2652
01:36:55,350 --> 01:36:52,800
fine honestly i just wondered if you

2653
01:36:57,990 --> 01:36:55,360
were wanting to go into any of the um

2654
01:36:59,910 --> 01:36:58,000
your abduction story or

2655
01:37:05,030 --> 01:36:59,920
i mean that'd be great well i think i

2656
01:37:09,270 --> 01:37:06,629
i always feel like i'm going to start at

2657
01:37:11,270 --> 01:37:09,280
the basics start at the beginning

2658
01:37:13,270 --> 01:37:11,280
for those parts of the audience that

2659
01:37:14,149 --> 01:37:13,280
aren't familiar with my story you know

2660
01:37:16,310 --> 01:37:14,159
what i mean

2661
01:37:17,990 --> 01:37:16,320
yeah

2662
01:37:20,950 --> 01:37:18,000
and um

2663
01:37:23,669 --> 01:37:20,960
so i guess i'll do that okay yeah please

2664
01:37:25,510 --> 01:37:23,679
please freeze up okay

2665
01:37:28,310 --> 01:37:25,520
a little bit of delay sorry

2666
01:37:30,310 --> 01:37:28,320
okay yeah but delay that's all uh

2667
01:37:32,229 --> 01:37:30,320
luckily we haven't had any major freeze

2668
01:37:33,590 --> 01:37:32,239
up so we've been doing pretty good okay

2669
01:37:38,870 --> 01:37:33,600
so

2670
01:37:40,790 --> 01:37:38,880
process now again you guys i've been

2671
01:37:43,590 --> 01:37:40,800
abduction research i've worked with

2672
01:37:45,590 --> 01:37:43,600
hundreds of cases but

2673
01:37:47,750 --> 01:37:45,600
but i realized we're going to just do my

2674
01:37:49,590 --> 01:37:47,760
stuff now you know um

2675
01:37:51,350 --> 01:37:49,600
i told vinnie i would you know that kind

2676
01:37:53,030 --> 01:37:51,360
of thing just like on my doers if you

2677
01:37:55,350 --> 01:37:53,040
ask her nicely well then he asked me

2678
01:37:56,870 --> 01:37:55,360
nicely so there we go okay

2679
01:37:59,109 --> 01:37:56,880
so um

2680
01:38:00,950 --> 01:37:59,119
in 1989

2681
01:38:04,870 --> 01:38:00,960
um

2682
01:38:07,830 --> 01:38:04,880
right when the lazar story was breaking

2683
01:38:09,910 --> 01:38:07,840
um a friend of mine literally write like

2684
01:38:12,550 --> 01:38:09,920
like you had

2685
01:38:14,470 --> 01:38:12,560
john lear going on a tv a radio show

2686
01:38:16,629 --> 01:38:14,480
called billy goodman's the happening

2687
01:38:18,310 --> 01:38:16,639
talking about going out there with gene

2688
01:38:20,629 --> 01:38:18,320
huff and lazar but they weren't using

2689
01:38:23,109 --> 01:38:20,639
lazar's name they were using a fake name

2690
01:38:24,709 --> 01:38:23,119
for him initially but when that was

2691
01:38:26,070 --> 01:38:24,719
happening and they were having sightings

2692
01:38:28,070 --> 01:38:26,080
they were as i said going on billy

2693
01:38:29,990 --> 01:38:28,080
goodman's the happening talking about it

2694
01:38:30,790 --> 01:38:30,000
a friend of mine stumbled across it and

2695
01:38:33,189 --> 01:38:30,800
said

2696
01:38:35,910 --> 01:38:33,199
you gotta listen to this

2697
01:38:38,310 --> 01:38:35,920
and i didn't have that much of an

2698
01:38:40,950 --> 01:38:38,320
interest prior to that i mean

2699
01:38:42,790 --> 01:38:40,960
uh i learned as i'm about to

2700
01:38:45,270 --> 01:38:42,800
tell you guys i learned at that time i

2701
01:38:47,270 --> 01:38:45,280
was an abductee my whole life

2702
01:38:49,990 --> 01:38:47,280
but this was the beginning of what

2703
01:38:53,910 --> 01:38:50,000
started a discovery process that i did

2704
01:38:54,870 --> 01:38:53,920
not have conscious awareness of that

2705
01:39:01,510 --> 01:38:54,880
i

2706
01:39:04,550 --> 01:39:01,520
very focused

2707
01:39:07,189 --> 01:39:04,560
in psychic development

2708
01:39:09,270 --> 01:39:07,199
and exploring paranormal stuff since i

2709
01:39:10,950 --> 01:39:09,280
was in high school and coming to terms

2710
01:39:13,669 --> 01:39:10,960
with going hey i'm a psychic i'm a

2711
01:39:15,109 --> 01:39:13,679
medium and my kind of acceptance of

2712
01:39:16,229 --> 01:39:15,119
coming to terms with that started when i

2713
01:39:19,910 --> 01:39:16,239
was in high school

2714
01:39:21,350 --> 01:39:19,920
so we're talking late 70s dating myself

2715
01:39:22,790 --> 01:39:21,360
but yeah

2716
01:39:24,870 --> 01:39:22,800
anyway so then

2717
01:39:27,750 --> 01:39:24,880
so then in 89 this friend of mine

2718
01:39:28,709 --> 01:39:27,760
stumbles up on that radio show and says

2719
01:39:29,750 --> 01:39:28,719
hey

2720
01:39:31,669 --> 01:39:29,760
you should listen this and that was

2721
01:39:33,750 --> 01:39:31,679
billy goodness that happened and it was

2722
01:39:34,550 --> 01:39:33,760
john lear going on talking about and so

2723
01:39:37,189 --> 01:39:34,560
then

2724
01:39:39,830 --> 01:39:37,199
she said um the the actually the

2725
01:39:41,590 --> 01:39:39,840
producers of the show said

2726
01:39:44,470 --> 01:39:41,600
they had so many people calling in

2727
01:39:46,070 --> 01:39:44,480
saying where on highway 375 and then

2728
01:39:48,229 --> 01:39:46,080
that a desert is this can we go out

2729
01:39:50,950 --> 01:39:48,239
there and so they decided to rent two

2730
01:39:52,629 --> 01:39:50,960
buses and people could meet in a casino

2731
01:39:54,149 --> 01:39:52,639
parking lot in vegas

2732
01:39:55,430 --> 01:39:54,159
you could sign up ahead of time to be on

2733
01:39:57,270 --> 01:39:55,440
one of the ceremony that was just

2734
01:39:59,750 --> 01:39:57,280
tickling your tickling

2735
01:40:00,950 --> 01:39:59,760
it's the air in here dust um

2736
01:40:01,990 --> 01:40:00,960
and uh

2737
01:40:05,270 --> 01:40:02,000
and

2738
01:40:07,510 --> 01:40:05,280
buses well we're too late to do that so

2739
01:40:09,830 --> 01:40:07,520
long story short we followed in our car

2740
01:40:11,750 --> 01:40:09,840
we get out to this location this night

2741
01:40:13,270 --> 01:40:11,760
with the two buses filled with people

2742
01:40:15,510 --> 01:40:13,280
and all these other cars and we're about

2743
01:40:17,350 --> 01:40:15,520
40 cars and we get there and the buses

2744
01:40:18,790 --> 01:40:17,360
are just ready to leave because we were

2745
01:40:20,870 --> 01:40:18,800
probably getting out there two hours

2746
01:40:22,390 --> 01:40:20,880
later

2747
01:40:23,590 --> 01:40:22,400
and they had a bunch of elderly people

2748
01:40:25,109 --> 01:40:23,600
from vegas and they said we need to get

2749
01:40:25,910 --> 01:40:25,119
back okay

2750
01:40:27,990 --> 01:40:25,920
well

2751
01:40:29,990 --> 01:40:28,000
we stayed out with these 40 other cars

2752
01:40:31,030 --> 01:40:30,000
and had amazing sightings

2753
01:40:32,709 --> 01:40:31,040
well

2754
01:40:34,629 --> 01:40:32,719
we were so blown away i mean amazing

2755
01:40:37,990 --> 01:40:34,639
amazing exciting stuff coming up from

2756
01:40:40,390 --> 01:40:38,000
behind the hills next to the area 51 s4

2757
01:40:42,470 --> 01:40:40,400
area coming up darting off stopping

2758
01:40:43,990 --> 01:40:42,480
darting off stopping shooting straight

2759
01:40:46,070 --> 01:40:44,000
up there was a cloud coverage they would

2760
01:40:47,030 --> 01:40:46,080
drop out of the clouds do a falling i

2761
01:40:49,510 --> 01:40:47,040
should do this in front of the thing

2762
01:40:51,510 --> 01:40:49,520
falling leaf pattern you know and it was

2763
01:40:53,830 --> 01:40:51,520
just remarkable we knew we were seeing

2764
01:40:54,790 --> 01:40:53,840
things absolutely defy physics as we

2765
01:40:55,910 --> 01:40:54,800
knew it

2766
01:40:57,270 --> 01:40:55,920
there were

2767
01:40:59,270 --> 01:40:57,280
white bronco

2768
01:41:01,109 --> 01:40:59,280
whack and hut security trucks all over

2769
01:41:02,830 --> 01:41:01,119
the place we had the sheriff out there

2770
01:41:05,669 --> 01:41:02,840
with us there were two sheriff police

2771
01:41:07,669 --> 01:41:05,679
cars and and then there were black

2772
01:41:10,709 --> 01:41:07,679
helicopters up in the air and we're like

2773
01:41:12,950 --> 01:41:10,719
okay this is real it's going on

2774
01:41:15,109 --> 01:41:12,960
it defies physics as we know it it's

2775
01:41:16,470 --> 01:41:15,119
flying in and out of a known top secret

2776
01:41:17,669 --> 01:41:16,480
military base

2777
01:41:19,750 --> 01:41:17,679
the government knows about it and

2778
01:41:22,229 --> 01:41:19,760
they're lying so i had a bunch of major

2779
01:41:24,149 --> 01:41:22,239
paradigm shifts overnight which i

2780
01:41:25,990 --> 01:41:24,159
probably before then would have assumed

2781
01:41:27,990 --> 01:41:26,000
was probably the case

2782
01:41:29,830 --> 01:41:28,000
but it was still like the reality was

2783
01:41:33,189 --> 01:41:29,840
just like like hitting me in the face

2784
01:41:35,189 --> 01:41:33,199
okay so it was like okay um

2785
01:41:37,109 --> 01:41:35,199
we were so blown away we went out two

2786
01:41:39,750 --> 01:41:37,119
weeks later and then a month after that

2787
01:41:42,390 --> 01:41:39,760
so in a two-month period in roughly

2788
01:41:43,830 --> 01:41:42,400
september october of 1989 maybe the

2789
01:41:45,830 --> 01:41:43,840
first trip might have been the last

2790
01:41:48,229 --> 01:41:45,840
weekend in august anyways roughly

2791
01:41:50,310 --> 01:41:48,239
september october 1989 three

2792
01:41:52,390 --> 01:41:50,320
back-to-back trips out to area 51

2793
01:41:54,149 --> 01:41:52,400
sitting out many nights in a row having

2794
01:41:55,669 --> 01:41:54,159
sightings well the reason that what does

2795
01:41:57,189 --> 01:41:55,679
that have to do with my abductions well

2796
01:41:58,950 --> 01:41:57,199
something about having those signs was

2797
01:42:00,629 --> 01:41:58,960
like inserting a key and turning it

2798
01:42:03,590 --> 01:42:00,639
because i started to have memories come

2799
01:42:05,830 --> 01:42:03,600
forward of childhood teenage and young

2800
01:42:07,910 --> 01:42:05,840
adult abduction experiences

2801
01:42:11,510 --> 01:42:07,920
and at first i thought i was losing my

2802
01:42:13,189 --> 01:42:11,520
mind i met a researcher out there

2803
01:42:15,030 --> 01:42:13,199
long story short

2804
01:42:17,510 --> 01:42:15,040
on my trips out there as meeting many

2805
01:42:19,350 --> 01:42:17,520
researchers including uh bill hamilton

2806
01:42:24,070 --> 01:42:19,360
and others you know that are well known

2807
01:42:26,950 --> 01:42:24,080
now in the field and anyway so uh i

2808
01:42:31,510 --> 01:42:28,550
this researcher said

2809
01:42:33,669 --> 01:42:31,520
here's the business card of a therapist

2810
01:42:35,669 --> 01:42:33,679
i highly recommend you talk to she works

2811
01:42:37,109 --> 01:42:35,679
with people that have had experiences

2812
01:42:39,990 --> 01:42:37,119
and this was a full-fledged

2813
01:42:41,750 --> 01:42:40,000
psychotherapist phd in psychology doctor

2814
01:42:43,430 --> 01:42:41,760
of psychology it was and she's

2815
01:42:46,390 --> 01:42:43,440
unfortunately passed now the late doctor

2816
01:42:47,350 --> 01:42:46,400
deborah trincalli and she worked closely

2817
01:42:48,709 --> 01:42:47,360
with

2818
01:42:50,470 --> 01:42:48,719
um

2819
01:42:52,870 --> 01:42:50,480
bud and john mack and that that whole

2820
01:42:54,830 --> 01:42:52,880
crowd very closely and they used to

2821
01:42:56,709 --> 01:42:54,840
teach courses for

2822
01:42:57,830 --> 01:42:56,719
uh the

2823
01:42:59,430 --> 01:42:57,840
therapist

2824
01:43:00,229 --> 01:42:59,440
how to do the kind of work they were

2825
01:43:02,310 --> 01:43:00,239
doing

2826
01:43:04,550 --> 01:43:02,320
and she was one of their early people in

2827
01:43:05,910 --> 01:43:04,560
that so she was very close to them

2828
01:43:11,189 --> 01:43:05,920
and uh

2829
01:43:13,109 --> 01:43:11,199
person said goes here well i started to

2830
01:43:14,629 --> 01:43:13,119
have even current present time

2831
01:43:16,070 --> 01:43:14,639
experiences

2832
01:43:18,629 --> 01:43:16,080
now everything at this point was

2833
01:43:20,870 --> 01:43:18,639
conscious memory you know and some of it

2834
01:43:23,109 --> 01:43:20,880
was coming up in in my dreams at night

2835
01:43:25,030 --> 01:43:23,119
after having many sightings over that

2836
01:43:26,709 --> 01:43:25,040
two-month period

2837
01:43:28,870 --> 01:43:26,719
that was and i thought like i said i was

2838
01:43:30,070 --> 01:43:28,880
losing my mind and finally i went to see

2839
01:43:31,669 --> 01:43:30,080
her to say

2840
01:43:32,870 --> 01:43:31,679
obviously this isn't happening i don't

2841
01:43:35,030 --> 01:43:32,880
think abductions are real you know

2842
01:43:36,229 --> 01:43:35,040
whatever i'm losing my mind and she said

2843
01:43:38,790 --> 01:43:36,239
well let's

2844
01:43:40,390 --> 01:43:38,800
work on it and see you know and now

2845
01:43:42,629 --> 01:43:40,400
going back to

2846
01:43:45,510 --> 01:43:42,639
so so then i started to have because she

2847
01:43:47,430 --> 01:43:45,520
also did regressive hypnosis okay right

2848
01:43:49,430 --> 01:43:47,440
as part of her therapy so we did that

2849
01:43:51,830 --> 01:43:49,440
and she'd worked with quite a few people

2850
01:43:54,229 --> 01:43:51,840
now before that happened like i said

2851
01:43:56,709 --> 01:43:54,239
most of my memories initially were very

2852
01:43:59,669 --> 01:43:56,719
conscious and um

2853
01:44:02,870 --> 01:43:59,679
quick example i had a roommate

2854
01:44:04,790 --> 01:44:02,880
at the time her and i

2855
01:44:06,709 --> 01:44:04,800
were having a late night discussion one

2856
01:44:08,310 --> 01:44:06,719
night uh she was

2857
01:44:10,550 --> 01:44:08,320
separated from her husband having some

2858
01:44:11,590 --> 01:44:10,560
problems there so i was discussing that

2859
01:44:13,189 --> 01:44:11,600
with her

2860
01:44:14,790 --> 01:44:13,199
and then we had another roommate who was

2861
01:44:16,550 --> 01:44:14,800
out of town at the time

2862
01:44:18,870 --> 01:44:16,560
anyways so her and i were there wearing

2863
01:44:21,189 --> 01:44:18,880
this late night discussion i went to bed

2864
01:44:23,030 --> 01:44:21,199
i realized after our discussion i had a

2865
01:44:25,270 --> 01:44:23,040
project i was an office manager at the

2866
01:44:27,830 --> 01:44:25,280
time had a project due the next day went

2867
01:44:29,910 --> 01:44:27,840
to bed saying i have to get to sleep

2868
01:44:31,590 --> 01:44:29,920
right away because if i fall asleep

2869
01:44:33,030 --> 01:44:31,600
right now i'm going to get exactly six

2870
01:44:36,229 --> 01:44:33,040
and a half hours before my alarm goes

2871
01:44:38,470 --> 01:44:36,239
off and i sat my alarm next to me and i

2872
01:44:40,550 --> 01:44:38,480
sat on my bed and i did some deep

2873
01:44:43,189 --> 01:44:40,560
breathing like quick little meditation

2874
01:44:44,790 --> 01:44:43,199
exercise again i've been into

2875
01:44:46,070 --> 01:44:44,800
paranormal metaphysics stuff my whole

2876
01:44:47,990 --> 01:44:46,080
life so

2877
01:44:50,070 --> 01:44:48,000
quick little thing just very quick

2878
01:44:52,870 --> 01:44:50,080
thought it took like two minutes just to

2879
01:44:54,629 --> 01:44:52,880
calm myself down so i would immediately

2880
01:44:56,709 --> 01:44:54,639
fall asleep

2881
01:44:57,669 --> 01:44:56,719
and i went back in my bed kind of covers

2882
01:44:59,750 --> 01:44:57,679
up

2883
01:45:01,430 --> 01:44:59,760
go to double check my alarm which i'd

2884
01:45:02,870 --> 01:45:01,440
already like double check twice but i go

2885
01:45:04,790 --> 01:45:02,880
to check it again right before turning

2886
01:45:07,510 --> 01:45:04,800
off the light

2887
01:45:10,390 --> 01:45:07,520
and in mid-reach i go what i look back

2888
01:45:11,830 --> 01:45:10,400
at the clock it was two and a half hours

2889
01:45:13,109 --> 01:45:11,840
later

2890
01:45:15,669 --> 01:45:13,119
and i thought i was sitting there for

2891
01:45:17,750 --> 01:45:15,679
two minutes right and i just went now at

2892
01:45:19,189 --> 01:45:17,760
that point i had heard of missing time

2893
01:45:20,550 --> 01:45:19,199
and stuff and i'm like what just

2894
01:45:22,390 --> 01:45:20,560
happened

2895
01:45:24,790 --> 01:45:22,400
and i couldn't get an image out of my

2896
01:45:26,709 --> 01:45:24,800
head of these three gray aliens staying

2897
01:45:28,950 --> 01:45:26,719
next to the bed one of them holding a

2898
01:45:30,390 --> 01:45:28,960
device

2899
01:45:33,109 --> 01:45:30,400
and i'm like this

2900
01:45:34,709 --> 01:45:33,119
is nuts so eventually i said melinda you

2901
01:45:37,030 --> 01:45:34,719
got a deadline on a project tomorrow you

2902
01:45:38,629 --> 01:45:37,040
got to get up early

2903
01:45:40,550 --> 01:45:38,639
and

2904
01:45:42,070 --> 01:45:40,560
so i turned off the light got the rest

2905
01:45:44,070 --> 01:45:42,080
of the way under the covers

2906
01:45:46,390 --> 01:45:44,080
fell asleep right away thankfully my

2907
01:45:48,629 --> 01:45:46,400
alarm goes off like three hours later

2908
01:45:50,709 --> 01:45:48,639
waking literally like three hours waking

2909
01:45:51,669 --> 01:45:50,719
the dead

2910
01:45:55,189 --> 01:45:51,679
and i

2911
01:45:56,709 --> 01:45:55,199
get up drag myself into work get through

2912
01:45:59,109 --> 01:45:56,719
the day

2913
01:45:59,990 --> 01:45:59,119
felt like i'd been hit by a mack truck

2914
01:46:02,709 --> 01:46:00,000
you know

2915
01:46:04,149 --> 01:46:02,719
i get home and my roommate gail says

2916
01:46:05,750 --> 01:46:04,159
we're making dinner in the kitchen she

2917
01:46:07,189 --> 01:46:05,760
goes what happened to you last night i

2918
01:46:08,229 --> 01:46:07,199
said what do you mean she goes well

2919
01:46:09,990 --> 01:46:08,239
after our

2920
01:46:12,229 --> 01:46:10,000
talk she couldn't sleep so she sat up in

2921
01:46:13,830 --> 01:46:12,239
bed reading and she kept hearing noises

2922
01:46:16,229 --> 01:46:13,840
in the house we had a two-story

2923
01:46:17,830 --> 01:46:16,239
townhouse in tustin california anyways

2924
01:46:19,510 --> 01:46:17,840
so she goes they kept hearing noises so

2925
01:46:21,030 --> 01:46:19,520
she kept going downstairs and looking

2926
01:46:23,430 --> 01:46:21,040
she knew scott our other roommate was

2927
01:46:26,470 --> 01:46:23,440
out of town so she's looking she goes

2928
01:46:28,310 --> 01:46:26,480
no one's there you know i i just she

2929
01:46:30,950 --> 01:46:28,320
thought just being paranoid or whatever

2930
01:46:32,790 --> 01:46:30,960
so she goes back

2931
01:46:35,910 --> 01:46:32,800
to bed but leaves her door open to the

2932
01:46:37,510 --> 01:46:35,920
hallway oh by the way so she also when

2933
01:46:39,030 --> 01:46:37,520
she came upstairs after checking a

2934
01:46:41,270 --> 01:46:39,040
number of times

2935
01:46:42,790 --> 01:46:41,280
she realized my

2936
01:46:44,629 --> 01:46:42,800
light was on under

2937
01:46:46,790 --> 01:46:44,639
under my door like we had a big gap

2938
01:46:48,070 --> 01:46:46,800
under my bedroom door and she goes light

2939
01:46:51,510 --> 01:46:48,080
was on the room it's like three in the

2940
01:46:53,750 --> 01:46:51,520
morning so she knocks on my door

2941
01:46:55,510 --> 01:46:53,760
it locks on my door no answer

2942
01:46:57,910 --> 01:46:55,520
knocks harder no answer pounds on my

2943
01:47:00,149 --> 01:46:57,920
door no answer now she's afraid that

2944
01:47:01,189 --> 01:47:00,159
someone got in and i've been hurt or you

2945
01:47:05,030 --> 01:47:01,199
know

2946
01:47:07,430 --> 01:47:05,040
she goes and my room opens the door i'm

2947
01:47:08,870 --> 01:47:07,440
not there she went in the room during my

2948
01:47:10,390 --> 01:47:08,880
missing time

2949
01:47:11,510 --> 01:47:10,400
wow like three in the morning it was in

2950
01:47:13,109 --> 01:47:11,520
i'm not there

2951
01:47:14,950 --> 01:47:13,119
and she goes melinda you were not there

2952
01:47:17,430 --> 01:47:14,960
so she goes back downstairs looks again

2953
01:47:19,189 --> 01:47:17,440
for me opens up the front door we have a

2954
01:47:21,750 --> 01:47:19,199
carport my car is parked right outside

2955
01:47:23,350 --> 01:47:21,760
the front door in a carport and she goes

2956
01:47:25,109 --> 01:47:23,360
she hadn't driven anywhere she looks all

2957
01:47:28,070 --> 01:47:25,119
around outside inside i can't find me

2958
01:47:29,270 --> 01:47:28,080
anywhere she goes back in her room

2959
01:47:30,629 --> 01:47:29,280
now

2960
01:47:31,750 --> 01:47:30,639
so she said that and she said what

2961
01:47:33,350 --> 01:47:31,760
happened to you and i said i don't know

2962
01:47:35,830 --> 01:47:33,360
she goes where'd you go i'm like i did

2963
01:47:37,350 --> 01:47:35,840
not answer you know that night and then

2964
01:47:38,790 --> 01:47:37,360
we have dinner that's you know the night

2965
01:47:41,590 --> 01:47:38,800
we're making dinner okay

2966
01:47:43,189 --> 01:47:41,600
and then so later on she says how do you

2967
01:47:45,109 --> 01:47:43,199
feel now because she she said you seemed

2968
01:47:46,790 --> 01:47:45,119
kind of upset before i said i'm fine

2969
01:47:47,990 --> 01:47:46,800
everything's fine she goes well there's

2970
01:47:51,109 --> 01:47:48,000
more and i go what do you mean there's

2971
01:47:53,990 --> 01:47:51,119
more she said after she went downstairs

2972
01:47:55,990 --> 01:47:54,000
and came back up and after going in my

2973
01:47:57,830 --> 01:47:56,000
room she goes sits in her room and is

2974
01:48:00,149 --> 01:47:57,840
reading in bed hoping she's going to

2975
01:48:02,070 --> 01:48:00,159
hear me come in come to the front door

2976
01:48:04,950 --> 01:48:02,080
and you know come inside any minute and

2977
01:48:06,950 --> 01:48:04,960
so she had her door open to the hallway

2978
01:48:09,350 --> 01:48:06,960
and and then right outside the hallway

2979
01:48:11,109 --> 01:48:09,360
about six feet was the the staircase

2980
01:48:13,189 --> 01:48:11,119
going down to the front door and she

2981
01:48:14,629 --> 01:48:13,199
said i kept listening for you to come in

2982
01:48:16,550 --> 01:48:14,639
and also there was a flash of light in

2983
01:48:18,470 --> 01:48:16,560
the hallway so she looks to the hallway

2984
01:48:20,070 --> 01:48:18,480
expecting to see me

2985
01:48:22,310 --> 01:48:20,080
and she's fully conscious sitting in bed

2986
01:48:23,990 --> 01:48:22,320
reading and stepping out of the darkness

2987
01:48:25,350 --> 01:48:24,000
of the hallway into her and she has a

2988
01:48:27,030 --> 01:48:25,360
little light on next door of course she

2989
01:48:29,430 --> 01:48:27,040
was reading in bed stepping out of the

2990
01:48:33,030 --> 01:48:29,440
hallway

2991
01:48:35,350 --> 01:48:33,040
into her room is a gray alien

2992
01:48:37,109 --> 01:48:35,360
and she said melinda came right past the

2993
01:48:38,470 --> 01:48:37,119
handle in the door which is

2994
01:48:40,229 --> 01:48:38,480
door handles about

2995
01:48:42,229 --> 01:48:40,239
three and a half feet so we figured it

2996
01:48:43,750 --> 01:48:42,239
was just about four feet tall but she

2997
01:48:45,990 --> 01:48:43,760
said came just past the handle of the

2998
01:48:48,229 --> 01:48:46,000
door stepped in my room looked right at

2999
01:48:50,229 --> 01:48:48,239
me turned now after going in my room

3000
01:48:51,830 --> 01:48:50,239
she'd close my bedroom door right so she

3001
01:48:53,590 --> 01:48:51,840
said melinda it went through your door

3002
01:48:55,830 --> 01:48:53,600
like a knife through butter

3003
01:48:57,270 --> 01:48:55,840
and went in my room

3004
01:49:00,149 --> 01:48:57,280
so at that point

3005
01:49:02,470 --> 01:49:00,159
she not only saw went in my bedroom when

3006
01:49:05,189 --> 01:49:02,480
i and witnessed my missing time the

3007
01:49:07,189 --> 01:49:05,199
fully conscious season aliens walk into

3008
01:49:09,109 --> 01:49:07,199
a room and then walk through my closed

3009
01:49:11,189 --> 01:49:09,119
door into my room

3010
01:49:13,430 --> 01:49:11,199
and she had read communion by whitley

3011
01:49:14,390 --> 01:49:13,440
strieber at that point this was this was

3012
01:49:16,709 --> 01:49:14,400
an 89

3013
01:49:18,470 --> 01:49:16,719
and that came out i think in 85 or 86

3014
01:49:19,990 --> 01:49:18,480
but you know and she said melinda had

3015
01:49:21,270 --> 01:49:20,000
actually read it twice i think she said

3016
01:49:23,350 --> 01:49:21,280
she owned it

3017
01:49:25,990 --> 01:49:23,360
and she said are you having experiences

3018
01:49:27,830 --> 01:49:26,000
like that guy and i said i don't know i

3019
01:49:29,750 --> 01:49:27,840
had not read it but i had heard of it

3020
01:49:31,350 --> 01:49:29,760
you know it was a huge bestseller back

3021
01:49:33,030 --> 01:49:31,360
then and she goes are you having

3022
01:49:34,950 --> 01:49:33,040
experiences like that guy i said i don't

3023
01:49:36,149 --> 01:49:34,960
know and she goes no i'm telling you you

3024
01:49:37,830 --> 01:49:36,159
had experiences you're having

3025
01:49:40,070 --> 01:49:37,840
experiences like that guy and then

3026
01:49:41,430 --> 01:49:40,080
turned out she also witnessed other

3027
01:49:43,189 --> 01:49:41,440
stuff

3028
01:49:44,550 --> 01:49:43,199
happening to me i'll in fact i'll jump

3029
01:49:47,589 --> 01:49:44,560
ahead really quick

3030
01:49:51,510 --> 01:49:50,470
now i did not know i was having mill lab

3031
01:49:54,550 --> 01:49:51,520
stuff

3032
01:49:55,350 --> 01:49:54,560
right that experience that

3033
01:49:57,910 --> 01:49:55,360
what

3034
01:50:00,310 --> 01:49:57,920
two back-to-back military abductions in

3035
01:50:03,189 --> 01:50:00,320
august and november

3036
01:50:05,189 --> 01:50:03,199
of 93 started me

3037
01:50:08,870 --> 01:50:05,199
self-investigating all that

3038
01:50:13,669 --> 01:50:08,880
but she was my roommate in 89 and 90.

3039
01:50:15,430 --> 01:50:13,679
okay in 1990 she had a 14 year old

3040
01:50:16,790 --> 01:50:15,440
daughter grown daughter living with her

3041
01:50:19,350 --> 01:50:16,800
husband they're going through divorce

3042
01:50:21,109 --> 01:50:19,360
okay the daughter came to live with us

3043
01:50:22,870 --> 01:50:21,119
for a little while

3044
01:50:24,550 --> 01:50:22,880
we were told a particular reason why at

3045
01:50:27,350 --> 01:50:24,560
the time it turns out now that may not

3046
01:50:28,870 --> 01:50:27,360
been the reason but at the time

3047
01:50:32,070 --> 01:50:28,880
and

3048
01:50:34,310 --> 01:50:32,080
years later i so i was only roommates

3049
01:50:36,470 --> 01:50:34,320
with her for just over a year let's say

3050
01:50:39,669 --> 01:50:36,480
total time

3051
01:50:41,669 --> 01:50:39,679
and uh and years later i met up with her

3052
01:50:43,030 --> 01:50:41,679
in a bookstore we got together and i

3053
01:50:45,990 --> 01:50:43,040
came over to our place and we sat and

3054
01:50:48,470 --> 01:50:46,000
talked first off she had done a painting

3055
01:50:49,750 --> 01:50:48,480
of that alien in the room

3056
01:50:52,070 --> 01:50:49,760
and it's

3057
01:50:53,750 --> 01:50:52,080
it's this big head big dark wrap around

3058
01:50:55,430 --> 01:50:53,760
eyes i mean you're classic

3059
01:50:57,430 --> 01:50:55,440
and i never knew that she had done a

3060
01:50:59,350 --> 01:50:57,440
painting she goes i mean she'd never

3061
01:51:01,510 --> 01:50:59,360
ever showed that to me and she goes yeah

3062
01:51:03,990 --> 01:51:01,520
it was such a big deal for her to see

3063
01:51:05,669 --> 01:51:04,000
that that she did

3064
01:51:06,790 --> 01:51:05,679
through a painting of the of the a of

3065
01:51:08,229 --> 01:51:06,800
the alien

3066
01:51:09,589 --> 01:51:08,239
but then she said

3067
01:51:11,189 --> 01:51:09,599
what else you do and i told her what i

3068
01:51:12,950 --> 01:51:11,199
was researching and i i was starting to

3069
01:51:14,950 --> 01:51:12,960
do the mill lab research so i started

3070
01:51:16,189 --> 01:51:14,960
that like i said 93 and i think this was

3071
01:51:20,149 --> 01:51:16,199
like

3072
01:51:21,510 --> 01:51:20,159
95 when i got together with her 95 96

3073
01:51:23,669 --> 01:51:21,520
and she said

3074
01:51:26,390 --> 01:51:23,679
oh i'm so glad you know that now and i

3075
01:51:28,310 --> 01:51:26,400
said what do you mean i know that now

3076
01:51:30,390 --> 01:51:28,320
and she goes well that you know that

3077
01:51:32,390 --> 01:51:30,400
that's what's going on i said what do

3078
01:51:34,390 --> 01:51:32,400
you mean was going on

3079
01:51:35,830 --> 01:51:34,400
and she goes well remember when angie

3080
01:51:38,149 --> 01:51:35,840
lived with us that's her daughter and i

3081
01:51:40,070 --> 01:51:38,159
go yeah

3082
01:51:41,270 --> 01:51:40,080
and she said why do you think angie

3083
01:51:43,109 --> 01:51:41,280
moved and i said well you said she

3084
01:51:45,189 --> 01:51:43,119
missed her dad she wanted to be with her

3085
01:51:46,950 --> 01:51:45,199
dad well turns out angie was being

3086
01:51:48,550 --> 01:51:46,960
abused by her dad i didn't know that

3087
01:51:49,910 --> 01:51:48,560
then but it turned out

3088
01:51:51,830 --> 01:51:49,920
she actually went to go live with her

3089
01:51:53,669 --> 01:51:51,840
sister and she said well angie was being

3090
01:51:55,270 --> 01:51:53,679
abused and i said she went back with her

3091
01:51:57,510 --> 01:51:55,280
dad you know she said no no no she went

3092
01:51:58,470 --> 01:51:57,520
with my sister and i'm like

3093
01:52:00,550 --> 01:51:58,480
why didn't

3094
01:52:01,990 --> 01:52:00,560
why she could have stayed here if scott

3095
01:52:04,070 --> 01:52:02,000
and i had known that that was going on

3096
01:52:05,109 --> 01:52:04,080
we would have insisted she stay here

3097
01:52:06,550 --> 01:52:05,119
with us

3098
01:52:07,830 --> 01:52:06,560
because they were looking for another

3099
01:52:09,510 --> 01:52:07,840
place to live but you know why you guys

3100
01:52:11,910 --> 01:52:09,520
were looking if it took a year or two we

3101
01:52:13,430 --> 01:52:11,920
would have insisted you stay with us

3102
01:52:14,870 --> 01:52:13,440
and she said no angie couldn't be there

3103
01:52:16,870 --> 01:52:14,880
anymore and i go why and she goes well

3104
01:52:17,910 --> 01:52:16,880
angie was witnessing what was happening

3105
01:52:19,189 --> 01:52:17,920
to you

3106
01:52:21,189 --> 01:52:19,199
and i go what

3107
01:52:23,109 --> 01:52:21,199
and she said more than one occasion they

3108
01:52:25,669 --> 01:52:23,119
witnessed other alien abduction stuff of

3109
01:52:28,229 --> 01:52:25,679
mine besides the one i shared

3110
01:52:31,189 --> 01:52:28,239
and then she said and we were awoke and

3111
01:52:33,510 --> 01:52:31,199
get this now i didn't know till 93 she's

3112
01:52:36,790 --> 01:52:33,520
telling me this in like 95 96 but she

3113
01:52:38,629 --> 01:52:36,800
said back in 1990 when angie was there

3114
01:52:42,229 --> 01:52:38,639
we were awoken in the middle of the

3115
01:52:44,709 --> 01:52:42,239
night by military men shouting orders at

3116
01:52:47,189 --> 01:52:44,719
you and you crying and pleading going no

3117
01:52:49,109 --> 01:52:47,199
no no i don't want to go

3118
01:52:51,030 --> 01:52:49,119
i was like

3119
01:52:53,109 --> 01:52:51,040
what

3120
01:52:55,589 --> 01:52:53,119
and i'm like now i knew i had had the

3121
01:52:57,350 --> 01:52:55,599
two experiences in 93

3122
01:53:00,149 --> 01:52:57,360
but a couple years after that i did not

3123
01:53:03,270 --> 01:53:00,159
know there was anything prior to 93.

3124
01:53:04,870 --> 01:53:03,280
right and here she said in 1990 on more

3125
01:53:07,669 --> 01:53:04,880
than one occasion

3126
01:53:09,350 --> 01:53:07,679
they were awoken by what clearly sounded

3127
01:53:11,510 --> 01:53:09,360
like milk because they were just on the

3128
01:53:13,350 --> 01:53:11,520
air

3129
01:53:15,510 --> 01:53:13,360
uh bedroom right adjacent to mine and

3130
01:53:16,550 --> 01:53:15,520
there's a thin wall between them and she

3131
01:53:17,990 --> 01:53:16,560
said you know how it is in these

3132
01:53:20,390 --> 01:53:18,000
bedrooms you can hear everything she

3133
01:53:21,750 --> 01:53:20,400
said we were awoken and heard everything

3134
01:53:23,270 --> 01:53:21,760
going on

3135
01:53:25,270 --> 01:53:23,280
and i said why didn't you say anything

3136
01:53:26,390 --> 01:53:25,280
to me and she said you were so freaked

3137
01:53:28,470 --> 01:53:26,400
out back then

3138
01:53:30,310 --> 01:53:28,480
about your alien abductions we thought

3139
01:53:31,990 --> 01:53:30,320
it would be too much for you

3140
01:53:33,589 --> 01:53:32,000
like they they were living with me and

3141
01:53:35,270 --> 01:53:33,599
they knew it was a big emotional

3142
01:53:37,350 --> 01:53:35,280
difficult thing and they were like we

3143
01:53:39,430 --> 01:53:37,360
thought this would be too much for you

3144
01:53:41,430 --> 01:53:39,440
and i'm like oh my god and so that's

3145
01:53:43,510 --> 01:53:41,440
what she meant by i'm glad you know that

3146
01:53:46,229 --> 01:53:43,520
now because here they're witnessing

3147
01:53:47,669 --> 01:53:46,239
stuff happening to me in 1990 that i

3148
01:53:50,870 --> 01:53:47,679
didn't even know

3149
01:53:54,550 --> 01:53:50,880
you know and then but also prior but

3150
01:53:57,030 --> 01:53:54,560
starting in not like 1990 till 93 when i

3151
01:53:58,950 --> 01:53:57,040
did two back-to-back military abductions

3152
01:54:01,430 --> 01:53:58,960
i was having harassment surveillance

3153
01:54:03,510 --> 01:54:01,440
stuff which gets me back to those

3154
01:54:05,990 --> 01:54:03,520
questionnaires

3155
01:54:07,750 --> 01:54:06,000
that mufon and free and stuff had they

3156
01:54:10,310 --> 01:54:07,760
weren't asking enough of the harassment

3157
01:54:12,310 --> 01:54:10,320
surveillance questions because it starts

3158
01:54:13,990 --> 01:54:12,320
with that before they decide that you're

3159
01:54:15,750 --> 01:54:14,000
a you know person of interest they're

3160
01:54:17,350 --> 01:54:15,760
going to spend more money and more time

3161
01:54:19,189 --> 01:54:17,360
but you can have the infamous black

3162
01:54:22,070 --> 01:54:19,199
helicopter harassment

3163
01:54:23,350 --> 01:54:22,080
phone and computer tampering monitoring

3164
01:54:26,790 --> 01:54:23,360
i mean i know

3165
01:54:28,229 --> 01:54:26,800
both researchers and abductees who had

3166
01:54:30,310 --> 01:54:28,239
only

3167
01:54:31,990 --> 01:54:30,320
the files removed from their computer

3168
01:54:34,229 --> 01:54:32,000
computer dealing with their abductions

3169
01:54:35,430 --> 01:54:34,239
or their evidence only those things were

3170
01:54:37,589 --> 01:54:35,440
moved

3171
01:54:40,950 --> 01:54:37,599
you know by someone tampering and

3172
01:54:42,470 --> 01:54:40,960
getting in you know and and et cetera et

3173
01:54:44,070 --> 01:54:42,480
cetera i mean there's just so much and

3174
01:54:45,589 --> 01:54:44,080
and so

3175
01:54:48,629 --> 01:54:45,599
so it can start with all that kind of

3176
01:54:50,790 --> 01:54:48,639
stuff so i was having that stuff happen

3177
01:54:53,430 --> 01:54:50,800
before i had a abduction i remembered

3178
01:54:56,310 --> 01:54:53,440
seeing military personnel present but

3179
01:54:58,390 --> 01:54:56,320
and and then uh going go and also going

3180
01:54:59,750 --> 01:54:58,400
back to the beginning of finding out so

3181
01:55:01,750 --> 01:54:59,760
obviously

3182
01:55:04,550 --> 01:55:01,760
you know after that time that was

3183
01:55:07,750 --> 01:55:04,560
witnessed by uh by my roommate with the

3184
01:55:10,149 --> 01:55:07,760
alien abduction the following july i'm

3185
01:55:11,750 --> 01:55:10,159
driving with two male friends steve and

3186
01:55:13,350 --> 01:55:11,760
mike those are their real names and

3187
01:55:15,350 --> 01:55:13,360
we're driving on a mountain highway and

3188
01:55:17,030 --> 01:55:15,360
the three of us had an abduction

3189
01:55:19,109 --> 01:55:17,040
together and now it's not just my

3190
01:55:20,550 --> 01:55:19,119
memories of alien abduction here i have

3191
01:55:22,310 --> 01:55:20,560
friends taken with me that also

3192
01:55:24,149 --> 01:55:22,320
remembered and we all had conscious

3193
01:55:26,390 --> 01:55:24,159
memory and we knew

3194
01:55:28,310 --> 01:55:26,400
we had significant missing time we were

3195
01:55:31,189 --> 01:55:28,320
driving a mountain road we've driven

3196
01:55:32,709 --> 01:55:31,199
many many times we knew when we stopped

3197
01:55:33,910 --> 01:55:32,719
and where we were going and that those

3198
01:55:35,910 --> 01:55:33,920
the distance between them should have

3199
01:55:38,149 --> 01:55:35,920
only been like an hour and this took

3200
01:55:39,510 --> 01:55:38,159
like like

3201
01:55:41,270 --> 01:55:39,520
three and a half or four hours longer

3202
01:55:42,790 --> 01:55:41,280
you know we we knew we had

3203
01:55:44,229 --> 01:55:42,800
there's a little debate it was at least

3204
01:55:46,310 --> 01:55:44,239
two hours maybe three hours of missing

3205
01:55:48,870 --> 01:55:46,320
time at least two maybe three but little

3206
01:55:50,950 --> 01:55:48,880
debate between us on exact timing but at

3207
01:55:52,550 --> 01:55:50,960
least two and possibly three hours of

3208
01:55:54,149 --> 01:55:52,560
missing time because we get out where

3209
01:55:56,149 --> 01:55:54,159
we're going expecting to be there at a

3210
01:55:58,229 --> 01:55:56,159
certain time and it was a full three

3211
01:56:01,669 --> 01:55:58,239
hours later that we got there and so

3212
01:56:04,310 --> 01:56:01,679
we're like okay you know clearly we had

3213
01:56:06,550 --> 01:56:04,320
uh a significant period of missing time

3214
01:56:09,589 --> 01:56:06,560
and then we each had bits and pieces of

3215
01:56:11,830 --> 01:56:09,599
memory recall eventually i was the first

3216
01:56:13,510 --> 01:56:11,840
one with dr truncali to get regressed

3217
01:56:15,750 --> 01:56:13,520
over it the guys were dragging their

3218
01:56:17,589 --> 01:56:15,760
heels eventually a year later they both

3219
01:56:19,910 --> 01:56:17,599
did so i did like two months after the

3220
01:56:22,149 --> 01:56:19,920
event they were like a whole year later

3221
01:56:24,470 --> 01:56:22,159
and then like a year after that

3222
01:56:26,229 --> 01:56:24,480
dr truncali with an office in newport

3223
01:56:27,669 --> 01:56:26,239
beach california asks us out to dinner

3224
01:56:28,870 --> 01:56:27,679
and we go out to dinner with her and she

3225
01:56:30,390 --> 01:56:28,880
says

3226
01:56:32,310 --> 01:56:30,400
i waited till like and i didn't know the

3227
01:56:34,550 --> 01:56:32,320
guys kept going for regressions i didn't

3228
01:56:36,229 --> 01:56:34,560
even know that okay so we were not

3229
01:56:38,310 --> 01:56:36,239
coloring each other's memories or

3230
01:56:40,790 --> 01:56:38,320
anything you know right

3231
01:56:43,750 --> 01:56:40,800
and she said i waited she waited till

3232
01:56:45,910 --> 01:56:43,760
she did two successful regressions

3233
01:56:46,950 --> 01:56:45,920
because the guys were blocked about

3234
01:56:49,510 --> 01:56:46,960
parts

3235
01:56:52,229 --> 01:56:49,520
uh and it took many many regressions so

3236
01:56:54,709 --> 01:56:52,239
two successful regressions on each of us

3237
01:56:57,030 --> 01:56:54,719
she said i waited till i completed two

3238
01:56:58,709 --> 01:56:57,040
successful recalls from each of you to

3239
01:57:00,550 --> 01:56:58,719
then invite you out to dinner so it's

3240
01:57:02,310 --> 01:57:00,560
like two years later right and she said

3241
01:57:04,950 --> 01:57:02,320
i'm here to tell you guys you're clearly

3242
01:57:07,830 --> 01:57:04,960
recalling the identical same experience

3243
01:57:09,990 --> 01:57:07,840
in every way your your memories are a

3244
01:57:11,910 --> 01:57:10,000
perfect match from your own perspectives

3245
01:57:14,149 --> 01:57:11,920
like what our view of the whole thing

3246
01:57:16,070 --> 01:57:14,159
was but the series of events and what

3247
01:57:19,350 --> 01:57:16,080
happened and what procedures boom she

3248
01:57:21,109 --> 01:57:19,360
said were an identical match

3249
01:57:23,030 --> 01:57:21,119
so the three of us got removed from the

3250
01:57:25,589 --> 01:57:23,040
car taken on board a ship

3251
01:57:28,149 --> 01:57:25,599
they went to take a ovum they did take

3252
01:57:31,189 --> 01:57:28,159
ovum for me very common they went to

3253
01:57:33,109 --> 01:57:31,199
take sperm from my friend mike

3254
01:57:34,870 --> 01:57:33,119
and discovered that two months before

3255
01:57:36,470 --> 01:57:34,880
this he had had a vasectomy and so they

3256
01:57:38,390 --> 01:57:36,480
were examining him and saying why would

3257
01:57:40,470 --> 01:57:38,400
you do this to yourself

3258
01:57:42,390 --> 01:57:40,480
and then when the abduction happened we

3259
01:57:45,270 --> 01:57:42,400
were removed from the car steve kind of

3260
01:57:47,990 --> 01:57:45,280
had a more fearful reaction and they

3261
01:57:50,229 --> 01:57:48,000
kind of shut him off a little bit and he

3262
01:57:51,990 --> 01:57:50,239
was you know

3263
01:57:53,189 --> 01:57:52,000
awake but nobody home yeah the light's

3264
01:57:55,589 --> 01:57:53,199
not on you know

3265
01:57:57,589 --> 01:57:55,599
yeah and and he was kind of out of it he

3266
01:58:00,310 --> 01:57:57,599
took a lot of regressions to get through

3267
01:58:02,390 --> 01:58:00,320
that and and had a violence and spinning

3268
01:58:04,229 --> 01:58:02,400
sensation his regressions and deborah

3269
01:58:06,229 --> 01:58:04,239
said she has this big recliner and would

3270
01:58:08,310 --> 01:58:06,239
get someone under it's just big you know

3271
01:58:10,229 --> 01:58:08,320
recliner you sit in in her office and

3272
01:58:11,669 --> 01:58:10,239
she said he would start to like fall out

3273
01:58:13,589 --> 01:58:11,679
of it and she'd have to lean over and

3274
01:58:15,990 --> 01:58:13,599
like put her back because he would have

3275
01:58:17,910 --> 01:58:16,000
such a strong violent spinning sensation

3276
01:58:20,310 --> 01:58:17,920
he would literally fall out of the chair

3277
01:58:23,270 --> 01:58:20,320
and um but she eventually you know got

3278
01:58:24,790 --> 01:58:23,280
him to recall enough of it you know yeah

3279
01:58:27,830 --> 01:58:24,800
and and then mike and i had a lot more

3280
01:58:29,350 --> 01:58:27,840
recall but uh you know we're mobilized

3281
01:58:31,430 --> 01:58:29,360
long story short removed from the car

3282
01:58:32,830 --> 01:58:31,440
taken on board craft you know very very

3283
01:58:36,709 --> 01:58:32,840
typical thing

3284
01:58:39,109 --> 01:58:36,719
um they were examining mike's vasectomy

3285
01:58:41,109 --> 01:58:39,119
they took over from me i have a fear of

3286
01:58:43,510 --> 01:58:41,119
heights thing probably is somewhat

3287
01:58:46,390 --> 01:58:43,520
related to my experiences they did a

3288
01:58:49,270 --> 01:58:46,400
trust exercise thing with me of dropping

3289
01:58:51,750 --> 01:58:49,280
me from a height they

3290
01:58:53,030 --> 01:58:51,760
they'd remove me from the guys

3291
01:58:54,709 --> 01:58:53,040
so they didn't know when i was taking

3292
01:58:56,550 --> 01:58:54,719
this other room what had happened and i

3293
01:58:59,109 --> 01:58:56,560
didn't know during that one brief scene

3294
01:59:01,750 --> 01:58:59,119
what was happening to them

3295
01:59:04,229 --> 01:59:01,760
but in my case they were taking me and

3296
01:59:06,310 --> 01:59:04,239
immobilizing me and dropping me in a way

3297
01:59:07,589 --> 01:59:06,320
that was very very frightening but but

3298
01:59:10,709 --> 01:59:07,599
finally i realized they weren't going to

3299
01:59:13,510 --> 01:59:10,719
drop me and and and i was very upset and

3300
01:59:15,510 --> 01:59:13,520
i i was crying and yelling at the aliens

3301
01:59:17,430 --> 01:59:15,520
well both guys said in their regressions

3302
01:59:19,430 --> 01:59:17,440
when i was brought back in the room i

3303
01:59:21,030 --> 01:59:19,440
was tear stained bright red like i

3304
01:59:23,109 --> 01:59:21,040
looked like i was gonna kill one of the

3305
01:59:24,629 --> 01:59:23,119
et's and they said they knew something

3306
01:59:26,070 --> 01:59:24,639
very emotional and i'd obviously

3307
01:59:28,070 --> 01:59:26,080
probably been yelling and crying to look

3308
01:59:30,550 --> 01:59:28,080
like i i did

3309
01:59:32,310 --> 01:59:30,560
and uh but but i said to the ets why did

3310
01:59:34,310 --> 01:59:32,320
you do this and they said it was a trust

3311
01:59:35,750 --> 01:59:34,320
exercise you needed to learn you could

3312
01:59:37,430 --> 01:59:35,760
trust us of course we're never gonna

3313
01:59:39,589 --> 01:59:37,440
drop you or hurt you you know but i

3314
01:59:41,350 --> 01:59:39,599
didn't know that at the time i was told

3315
01:59:42,950 --> 01:59:41,360
but they take me back and during that

3316
01:59:45,750 --> 01:59:42,960
time mike

3317
01:59:47,350 --> 01:59:45,760
was given he has a very high tech job i

3318
01:59:49,990 --> 01:59:47,360
don't want to get in details

3319
01:59:51,589 --> 01:59:50,000
aerospace industry very high tech and

3320
01:59:54,629 --> 01:59:51,599
they gave him

3321
01:59:56,470 --> 01:59:54,639
information to create a ufo detector

3322
01:59:58,709 --> 01:59:56,480
that for a couple years after that he

3323
02:00:00,629 --> 01:59:58,719
created them and sold them and said he'd

3324
02:00:03,189 --> 02:00:00,639
learned how to do it from the ets in

3325
02:00:05,030 --> 02:00:03,199
that experience that they gave him after

3326
02:00:06,870 --> 02:00:05,040
they gave the technical information to

3327
02:00:09,589 --> 02:00:06,880
how to do that so in that case they

3328
02:00:12,470 --> 02:00:09,599
helped him and they helped you know me

3329
02:00:14,470 --> 02:00:12,480
uh steve was just kind of out of it

3330
02:00:15,830 --> 02:00:14,480
i think they were just keeping him

3331
02:00:17,990 --> 02:00:15,840
you know calm

3332
02:00:19,510 --> 02:00:18,000
and uh but anyway so that was the bulk

3333
02:00:21,830 --> 02:00:19,520
of that experience

3334
02:00:23,990 --> 02:00:21,840
and um and i continue to have

3335
02:00:24,950 --> 02:00:24,000
experiences my last one was four years

3336
02:00:26,470 --> 02:00:24,960
ago

3337
02:00:28,550 --> 02:00:26,480
how we doing time i'm probably going on

3338
02:00:30,149 --> 02:00:28,560
and on but my last one was four years

3339
02:00:33,990 --> 02:00:30,159
ago

3340
02:00:37,270 --> 02:00:35,430
and i've you know i continue to have

3341
02:00:39,669 --> 02:00:37,280
them throughout my life and then and

3342
02:00:41,669 --> 02:00:39,679
then like i said in 93

3343
02:00:43,270 --> 02:00:41,679
not only was i still dealing with

3344
02:00:45,030 --> 02:00:43,280
recalling

3345
02:00:47,430 --> 02:00:45,040
both consciously you know a lot of times

3346
02:00:48,709 --> 02:00:47,440
i had conscious memory like or evidence

3347
02:00:49,430 --> 02:00:48,719
of an experience for instance i would

3348
02:00:52,310 --> 02:00:49,440
have

3349
02:00:54,390 --> 02:00:52,320
stuff in my environment or um or other

3350
02:00:56,950 --> 02:00:54,400
people taken with me

3351
02:00:59,830 --> 02:00:56,960
i i was a part of for instance a mass

3352
02:01:02,229 --> 02:00:59,840
abduction here in in two mass abductions

3353
02:01:04,709 --> 02:01:02,239
here in sedona one with like 100 people

3354
02:01:07,189 --> 02:01:04,719
and one with five other friends i was

3355
02:01:09,990 --> 02:01:07,199
part of the um

3356
02:01:11,510 --> 02:01:10,000
coronado experience that iman smith and

3357
02:01:13,830 --> 02:01:11,520
preston dennett have both wrote about

3358
02:01:16,229 --> 02:01:13,840
that that they now know is at least 15

3359
02:01:18,870 --> 02:01:16,239
people from the hotel del coronado in

3360
02:01:20,629 --> 02:01:18,880
san diego california and 15 of us taken

3361
02:01:23,350 --> 02:01:20,639
together so i was also part of that and

3362
02:01:25,990 --> 02:01:23,360
i'm a chapter in that book i my research

3363
02:01:28,790 --> 02:01:26,000
or my experiences have been included

3364
02:01:32,070 --> 02:01:28,800
in 30 books and i've not written my own

3365
02:01:34,870 --> 02:01:32,080
but anything from you know

3366
02:01:37,430 --> 02:01:34,880
a paragraph to a whole chapter and

3367
02:01:39,589 --> 02:01:37,440
anything in between in about 30 books

3368
02:01:41,750 --> 02:01:39,599
you know that i've been included in so

3369
02:01:45,350 --> 02:01:41,760
eventually eventually i'll do my own but

3370
02:01:48,870 --> 02:01:45,360
uh um going back to uh

3371
02:01:50,390 --> 02:01:48,880
uh the mill up stuff so i i ended up in

3372
02:01:53,430 --> 02:01:50,400
um

3373
02:01:54,790 --> 02:01:53,440
93 like i said had two back-to-back

3374
02:01:58,229 --> 02:01:54,800
ones one

3375
02:02:02,709 --> 02:01:58,239
was i was removed from where i lived in

3376
02:02:08,950 --> 02:02:05,030
by guys who drugged me in wearing

3377
02:02:11,189 --> 02:02:08,960
camouflage in my bedroom and took me to

3378
02:02:14,550 --> 02:02:11,199
an underground base long story short

3379
02:02:18,790 --> 02:02:14,560
where that first experience i i had an

3380
02:02:21,750 --> 02:02:20,390
uh

3381
02:02:23,910 --> 02:02:21,760
i

3382
02:02:26,310 --> 02:02:23,920
have had

3383
02:02:31,350 --> 02:02:29,510
what i think now might be

3384
02:02:44,950 --> 02:02:31,360
a

3385
02:02:47,350 --> 02:02:44,960
they did

3386
02:02:50,229 --> 02:02:47,360
a procedure on me that i later met a

3387
02:02:52,790 --> 02:02:50,239
medical professional who is an expert

3388
02:02:55,350 --> 02:02:52,800
supposedly in these kind of procedures

3389
02:02:57,430 --> 02:02:55,360
who told me that once he questioned me

3390
02:02:59,270 --> 02:02:57,440
about what had happened he named the

3391
02:03:00,709 --> 02:02:59,280
kind of procedure and he said it meant

3392
02:03:04,310 --> 02:03:00,719
you had a

3393
02:03:07,189 --> 02:03:04,320
problem pregnancy that didn't take

3394
02:03:08,390 --> 02:03:07,199
and had misformed either

3395
02:03:09,910 --> 02:03:08,400
like maybe

3396
02:03:11,990 --> 02:03:09,920
partial like a tubal pregnancy or

3397
02:03:13,990 --> 02:03:12,000
something like that anyways but um he

3398
02:03:16,070 --> 02:03:14,000
said it was a procedure a surgical

3399
02:03:17,669 --> 02:03:16,080
procedure he'd performed many times and

3400
02:03:19,430 --> 02:03:17,679
he said i'm telling you he even tried to

3401
02:03:21,030 --> 02:03:19,440
mislead me when talking about the

3402
02:03:22,550 --> 02:03:21,040
procedure to me

3403
02:03:24,070 --> 02:03:22,560
to see if i would correct him and he

3404
02:03:26,550 --> 02:03:24,080
said you even corrected me and i'm

3405
02:03:28,390 --> 02:03:26,560
telling you you are stating i clearly i

3406
02:03:30,390 --> 02:03:28,400
don't have a lot of medical expertise

3407
02:03:32,709 --> 02:03:30,400
and he said you are describing very

3408
02:03:34,790 --> 02:03:32,719
accurately this procedure and that it

3409
02:03:37,430 --> 02:03:34,800
meant there was a problem pregnancy so

3410
02:03:39,589 --> 02:03:37,440
in that case it was probably a hybrid

3411
02:03:41,830 --> 02:03:39,599
fees it wasn't taking that the military

3412
02:03:43,109 --> 02:03:41,840
guys then removed from me in that

3413
02:03:44,870 --> 02:03:43,119
procedure

3414
02:03:46,550 --> 02:03:44,880
um and then like i said years later i

3415
02:03:48,470 --> 02:03:46,560
met this doctor who confirmed the

3416
02:03:50,709 --> 02:03:48,480
procedure happened at least according to

3417
02:03:53,750 --> 02:03:50,719
him but

3418
02:03:56,229 --> 02:03:53,760
and uh and then that was the the first

3419
02:03:58,870 --> 02:03:56,239
one in august of 93 and then november of

3420
02:04:02,390 --> 02:03:58,880
93 i had an experience where i was

3421
02:04:04,790 --> 02:04:02,400
specifically now in my alien abductions

3422
02:04:05,510 --> 02:04:04,800
i've seen a lot of technical stuff i've

3423
02:04:07,669 --> 02:04:05,520
been

3424
02:04:10,149 --> 02:04:07,679
sat at the controls flown a ship and

3425
02:04:12,470 --> 02:04:10,159
shown navigation propulsion been shown

3426
02:04:14,870 --> 02:04:12,480
propulsion systems

3427
02:04:17,109 --> 02:04:14,880
how they work and static computers and

3428
02:04:19,189 --> 02:04:17,119
this is it's actually very common for

3429
02:04:21,350 --> 02:04:19,199
abductees but the abductees who have a

3430
02:04:24,149 --> 02:04:21,360
lot of that become of interest to these

3431
02:04:25,510 --> 02:04:24,159
covert guys uh for uh with my sorry for

3432
02:04:26,950 --> 02:04:25,520
obvious reasons

3433
02:04:30,390 --> 02:04:26,960
and

3434
02:04:32,470 --> 02:04:30,400
interested in that um there's more

3435
02:04:34,629 --> 02:04:32,480
there's there's predominantly in my my

3436
02:04:36,790 --> 02:04:34,639
labs research there's five

3437
02:04:38,870 --> 02:04:36,800
areas that they're most predominantly

3438
02:04:41,830 --> 02:04:38,880
interested in but before i get to that

3439
02:04:44,069 --> 02:04:41,840
in this experience i um

3440
02:04:45,830 --> 02:04:44,079
was specifically interrogated about a

3441
02:04:47,189 --> 02:04:45,840
piece of

3442
02:04:49,189 --> 02:04:47,199
extraterrestrial

3443
02:04:50,550 --> 02:04:49,199
technology that i had seen and i was

3444
02:04:52,629 --> 02:04:50,560
being

3445
02:04:54,390 --> 02:04:52,639
you know interrogated about that i went

3446
02:04:56,229 --> 02:04:54,400
to a place um

3447
02:04:58,390 --> 02:04:56,239
again underground base

3448
02:05:02,149 --> 02:04:58,400
situation but in southern california

3449
02:05:04,149 --> 02:05:02,159
that i've now met six different insiders

3450
02:05:05,109 --> 02:05:04,159
who have all been there and or worked

3451
02:05:06,950 --> 02:05:05,119
there

3452
02:05:08,950 --> 02:05:06,960
who questioned me about in separate all

3453
02:05:10,870 --> 02:05:08,960
separate conversations

3454
02:05:12,790 --> 02:05:10,880
but all of them came back and said it

3455
02:05:15,910 --> 02:05:12,800
was called china lake annex as part of

3456
02:05:17,109 --> 02:05:15,920
the china naval station but in annex of

3457
02:05:18,550 --> 02:05:17,119
that where they deal with this

3458
02:05:22,149 --> 02:05:18,560
technology and

3459
02:05:23,669 --> 02:05:22,159
and uh and one

3460
02:05:25,510 --> 02:05:23,679
i don't know if your audience or you

3461
02:05:26,950 --> 02:05:25,520
have heard of jump rooms before but

3462
02:05:28,790 --> 02:05:26,960
there's a way of being

3463
02:05:31,750 --> 02:05:28,800
teleported in these situations they call

3464
02:05:33,430 --> 02:05:31,760
jump room and i even was taken to one of

3465
02:05:36,550 --> 02:05:33,440
those facilities

3466
02:05:39,669 --> 02:05:36,560
uh as part of that base in in the end of

3467
02:05:41,750 --> 02:05:39,679
that experience that years later i met a

3468
02:05:42,629 --> 02:05:41,760
young man who had also had an experience

3469
02:05:44,390 --> 02:05:42,639
there

3470
02:05:45,910 --> 02:05:44,400
who in front of another group of people

3471
02:05:47,910 --> 02:05:45,920
that i just happened to be sitting there

3472
02:05:50,470 --> 02:05:47,920
in a coffee shop hearing him talk he

3473
02:05:52,550 --> 02:05:50,480
goes into detail about that same exact

3474
02:05:54,629 --> 02:05:52,560
jump room

3475
02:05:57,109 --> 02:05:54,639
in great detail explaining it exactly

3476
02:05:58,629 --> 02:05:57,119
what i saw and i'm like go on and i

3477
02:06:00,470 --> 02:05:58,639
never talked publicly or anything about

3478
02:06:02,550 --> 02:06:00,480
any of those details you know ever and

3479
02:06:04,870 --> 02:06:02,560
so and my job was just like you know hit

3480
02:06:06,550 --> 02:06:04,880
the tables like oh my god here he's

3481
02:06:08,550 --> 02:06:06,560
clearly been to the same place the only

3482
02:06:10,390 --> 02:06:08,560
difference in our memories of every

3483
02:06:13,109 --> 02:06:10,400
detail the building the exterior going

3484
02:06:15,109 --> 02:06:13,119
in the process everything the security

3485
02:06:17,750 --> 02:06:15,119
doors all this stuff the only difference

3486
02:06:20,069 --> 02:06:17,760
was the security guards when they took

3487
02:06:21,589 --> 02:06:20,079
and his experience was 15 years after my

3488
02:06:23,910 --> 02:06:21,599
approximately we figured out so

3489
02:06:25,910 --> 02:06:23,920
approximately 15 years after me

3490
02:06:27,990 --> 02:06:25,920
when i went in

3491
02:06:31,030 --> 02:06:28,000
the security guy leading me through the

3492
02:06:32,870 --> 02:06:31,040
the doors did a keypad

3493
02:06:35,750 --> 02:06:32,880
and then put his thumb up like a thumb

3494
02:06:39,350 --> 02:06:35,760
scan you know thumb scan

3495
02:06:41,270 --> 02:06:39,360
his when he went through he and the guy

3496
02:06:43,030 --> 02:06:41,280
take the guard guard i mean guard taken

3497
02:06:45,669 --> 02:06:43,040
him through

3498
02:06:47,189 --> 02:06:45,679
did it did key and then put their eye up

3499
02:06:49,189 --> 02:06:47,199
a retinal scan

3500
02:06:52,229 --> 02:06:49,199
that the only difference in the facility

3501
02:06:54,310 --> 02:06:52,239
in all of our detail and memory was

3502
02:06:56,310 --> 02:06:54,320
mine was thumbprint they'd replaced in

3503
02:06:58,629 --> 02:06:56,320
15 years gone to a little more high tech

3504
02:07:00,709 --> 02:06:58,639
to go to retinal scan otherwise it was

3505
02:07:02,629 --> 02:07:00,719
the same process and and that just

3506
02:07:04,550 --> 02:07:02,639
floored me because that verified his

3507
02:07:05,270 --> 02:07:04,560
experience to me and me to him and you

3508
02:07:09,350 --> 02:07:05,280
know

3509
02:07:11,430 --> 02:07:09,360
abduction

3510
02:07:14,390 --> 02:07:11,440
i recalled seeing some of the other

3511
02:07:16,550 --> 02:07:14,400
people in that abduction

3512
02:07:17,669 --> 02:07:16,560
one of them i did not meet and become

3513
02:07:19,990 --> 02:07:17,679
free the

3514
02:07:21,350 --> 02:07:20,000
experience happened in 94. a guy named

3515
02:07:23,270 --> 02:07:21,360
john involved in

3516
02:07:24,830 --> 02:07:23,280
yvonne smith's serial group

3517
02:07:27,589 --> 02:07:24,840
who's also in the book

3518
02:07:30,390 --> 02:07:27,599
okay i did not meet him and become a

3519
02:07:32,310 --> 02:07:30,400
friend of his until 2008

3520
02:07:36,310 --> 02:07:32,320
in 2004

3521
02:07:44,950 --> 02:07:37,669
he

3522
02:07:46,870 --> 02:07:44,960
regressed again over it recall seeing me

3523
02:07:48,629 --> 02:07:46,880
i get regressed

3524
02:07:50,149 --> 02:07:48,639
and in the regression with yvonne i

3525
02:07:53,430 --> 02:07:50,159
recall seeing him

3526
02:07:55,270 --> 02:07:53,440
we didn't become friends till 2008

3527
02:07:57,589 --> 02:07:55,280
but we both and we were both regressed

3528
02:07:59,589 --> 02:07:57,599
after 2008 for the event

3529
02:08:02,709 --> 02:07:59,599
but both of us in separate regressions

3530
02:08:03,430 --> 02:08:02,719
recalled in 94 that we saw each other

3531
02:08:04,470 --> 02:08:03,440
there

3532
02:08:07,430 --> 02:08:04,480
you know so

3533
02:08:09,990 --> 02:08:07,440
that kind of cross-correlation of like a

3534
02:08:12,709 --> 02:08:10,000
mass abduction there's a a guy who was a

3535
02:08:14,709 --> 02:08:12,719
client of mine came on my tour

3536
02:08:16,950 --> 02:08:14,719
asked to talk to me privately the next

3537
02:08:19,109 --> 02:08:16,960
day long story short

3538
02:08:20,790 --> 02:08:19,119
had had multiple alien abductions he

3539
02:08:23,109 --> 02:08:20,800
didn't live in sedona any longer but for

3540
02:08:25,510 --> 02:08:23,119
a number of years he did i was part of a

3541
02:08:27,109 --> 02:08:25,520
mass abduction here

3542
02:08:28,790 --> 02:08:27,119
that he starts talking to me about

3543
02:08:31,669 --> 02:08:28,800
multiple alien abductions here and one

3544
02:08:34,390 --> 02:08:31,679
was a mass milab event involving

3545
02:08:35,750 --> 02:08:34,400
military and et's together he

3546
02:08:37,109 --> 02:08:35,760
starts to describe describing part of

3547
02:08:39,189 --> 02:08:37,119
that event

3548
02:08:40,870 --> 02:08:39,199
he is describing and and i was taken

3549
02:08:43,669 --> 02:08:40,880
with other people here by the way that

3550
02:08:45,990 --> 02:08:43,679
was the five of us taken together here

3551
02:08:47,350 --> 02:08:46,000
so my friends recall that same event

3552
02:08:50,470 --> 02:08:47,360
already

3553
02:08:53,510 --> 02:08:50,480
here's a this other guy a client of mine

3554
02:08:55,430 --> 02:08:53,520
comes in asked talked to me privately

3555
02:08:56,790 --> 02:08:55,440
recalling that event

3556
02:08:58,310 --> 02:08:56,800
he was one of the other remembered there

3557
02:08:59,910 --> 02:08:58,320
were like a hundred people there was

3558
02:09:01,990 --> 02:08:59,920
five of them that knew each other but

3559
02:09:02,870 --> 02:09:02,000
this was an event of like 100 people

3560
02:09:05,910 --> 02:09:02,880
here's

3561
02:09:07,750 --> 02:09:05,920
a complete stranger talking to me

3562
02:09:10,069 --> 02:09:07,760
recalling the whole event saying have

3563
02:09:12,229 --> 02:09:10,079
you ever heard about this mass abduction

3564
02:09:13,750 --> 02:09:12,239
and i was like uh yeah

3565
02:09:15,189 --> 02:09:13,760
because what do you mean i said i was

3566
02:09:16,629 --> 02:09:15,199
there he goes

3567
02:09:17,990 --> 02:09:16,639
what you've met other people involved i

3568
02:09:18,950 --> 02:09:18,000
said no i was there he goes what do you

3569
02:09:20,149 --> 02:09:18,960
mean you were there i go me and my

3570
02:09:21,750 --> 02:09:20,159
friends were there

3571
02:09:24,550 --> 02:09:21,760
so he's a complete stranger we're

3572
02:09:26,550 --> 02:09:24,560
calling the same event the same date all

3573
02:09:29,830 --> 02:09:26,560
the details about including some really

3574
02:09:30,790 --> 02:09:29,840
weird unique details

3575
02:09:35,350 --> 02:09:30,800
and

3576
02:09:36,950 --> 02:09:35,360
the other hundred people there you know

3577
02:09:38,870 --> 02:09:36,960
now i kept wondering was i going to ever

3578
02:09:40,709 --> 02:09:38,880
meet more people who were there besides

3579
02:09:42,709 --> 02:09:40,719
the five of us and him that's

3580
02:09:43,589 --> 02:09:42,719
six or seven seven of us total you know

3581
02:09:45,430 --> 02:09:43,599
but

3582
02:09:47,350 --> 02:09:45,440
so far i've not heard anyone's come

3583
02:09:49,030 --> 02:09:47,360
forward and share that i they're

3584
02:09:50,229 --> 02:09:49,040
detailed we haven't shared so i know if

3585
02:09:52,790 --> 02:09:50,239
people share those then they were

3586
02:09:55,189 --> 02:09:52,800
probably there but but that but the

3587
02:09:57,669 --> 02:09:55,199
confirmation for him and me both you

3588
02:09:59,510 --> 02:09:57,679
know vice versa for that we were both

3589
02:10:00,629 --> 02:09:59,520
there because

3590
02:10:01,510 --> 02:10:00,639
you know

3591
02:10:04,709 --> 02:10:01,520
and

3592
02:10:06,709 --> 02:10:04,719
like finishing each other's sentences

3593
02:10:08,950 --> 02:10:06,719
there was another mass my lab event i

3594
02:10:10,310 --> 02:10:08,960
was in and then also another mass alien

3595
02:10:12,550 --> 02:10:10,320
abduction when i talked to those other

3596
02:10:14,229 --> 02:10:12,560
witnesses we literally finished other

3597
02:10:15,990 --> 02:10:14,239
sentences oh when he did this and then

3598
02:10:17,189 --> 02:10:16,000
he did this to you yeah and then we went

3599
02:10:19,109 --> 02:10:17,199
over here yeah and then we did this you

3600
02:10:20,629 --> 02:10:19,119
know we're like fishing other sentences

3601
02:10:22,550 --> 02:10:20,639
because we remember

3602
02:10:23,750 --> 02:10:22,560
the same stuff you know

3603
02:10:24,470 --> 02:10:23,760
and so that

3604
02:10:30,709 --> 02:10:24,480
the

3605
02:10:32,950 --> 02:10:30,719
experiences is landing trace evidence of

3606
02:10:35,589 --> 02:10:32,960
a mark left on the ground

3607
02:10:37,350 --> 02:10:35,599
and there's many cases many abduction

3608
02:10:40,310 --> 02:10:37,360
cases have landing trace many have

3609
02:10:43,109 --> 02:10:40,320
implants implant removals

3610
02:10:46,470 --> 02:10:43,119
mris and and and x-rays showing those

3611
02:10:48,310 --> 02:10:46,480
implants etc um now when dr roger lear

3612
02:10:50,229 --> 02:10:48,320
was alive i did have him

3613
02:10:52,629 --> 02:10:50,239
x-ray me extensively nothing came up in

3614
02:10:53,669 --> 02:10:52,639
the x-rays even though i have memory now

3615
02:10:55,350 --> 02:10:53,679
um

3616
02:10:57,669 --> 02:10:55,360
kind of his ex-partner doing some of

3617
02:11:00,229 --> 02:10:57,679
that steve colburn has

3618
02:11:02,149 --> 02:11:00,239
tested me behind this ear and my

3619
02:11:04,229 --> 02:11:02,159
it was test me all over with equipment

3620
02:11:06,149 --> 02:11:04,239
but i ping two different pieces of

3621
02:11:08,069 --> 02:11:06,159
equipment he said you could ping on one

3622
02:11:09,990 --> 02:11:08,079
but pinging on both

3623
02:11:12,390 --> 02:11:10,000
highly suggestive something's going on

3624
02:11:14,709 --> 02:11:12,400
and i ping here behind this here and at

3625
02:11:16,870 --> 02:11:14,719
the what's called the t3

3626
02:11:18,550 --> 02:11:16,880
at the base of the spine or top of the

3627
02:11:21,990 --> 02:11:18,560
spine i should say basically

3628
02:11:24,629 --> 02:11:22,000
but that t3 vertabee is one place that

3629
02:11:27,030 --> 02:11:24,639
it's very common for abductees to either

3630
02:11:28,629 --> 02:11:27,040
have an implant or have problems or or

3631
02:11:30,470 --> 02:11:28,639
remember experiences where they messed

3632
02:11:32,390 --> 02:11:30,480
with that is extremely common i mean

3633
02:11:34,550 --> 02:11:32,400
there's so many commonalities in these

3634
02:11:38,149 --> 02:11:34,560
experiences that are known in the

3635
02:11:40,149 --> 02:11:38,159
abduction research community um

3636
02:11:42,229 --> 02:11:40,159
there's just so much data that's why

3637
02:11:45,189 --> 02:11:42,239
some now we don't need all of it on that

3638
02:11:47,350 --> 02:11:45,199
website for the for the for the group um

3639
02:11:49,109 --> 02:11:47,360
what we're wanting to do though is have

3640
02:11:50,950 --> 02:11:49,119
just some of the key

3641
02:11:54,390 --> 02:11:50,960
talking points like like i said the

3642
02:11:57,109 --> 02:11:54,400
statistics the key pieces of evidence so

3643
02:11:57,990 --> 02:11:57,119
again there's you know if people get

3644
02:12:01,109 --> 02:11:58,000
asked

3645
02:12:03,750 --> 02:12:01,119
by the military or are doing any kind of

3646
02:12:06,390 --> 02:12:03,760
interview article whatever they can talk

3647
02:12:08,790 --> 02:12:06,400
about it with knowing that they're

3648
02:12:11,430 --> 02:12:08,800
representing the research correctly you

3649
02:12:13,669 --> 02:12:11,440
know kind of a thing so anyways i know

3650
02:12:15,510 --> 02:12:13,679
we went all over the place i just

3651
02:12:17,270 --> 02:12:15,520
find out

3652
02:12:18,629 --> 02:12:17,280
no no absolutely absolutely fine i

3653
02:12:21,030 --> 02:12:18,639
wanted to hear your stories that's

3654
02:12:23,189 --> 02:12:21,040
absolutely why we were doing this so

3655
02:12:24,790 --> 02:12:23,199
yeah thank you so much there's some

3656
02:12:25,669 --> 02:12:24,800
obviously there's more there i've had so

3657
02:12:28,149 --> 02:12:25,679
much

3658
02:12:29,189 --> 02:12:28,159
and um

3659
02:12:31,189 --> 02:12:29,199
uh

3660
02:12:33,189 --> 02:12:31,199
you know and it it

3661
02:12:35,910 --> 02:12:33,199
it was a long discovery process like i

3662
02:12:38,229 --> 02:12:35,920
said starting in 89 going into the early

3663
02:12:41,430 --> 02:12:38,239
90s and

3664
02:12:43,030 --> 02:12:41,440
you know just a long

3665
02:12:45,750 --> 02:12:43,040
process to

3666
02:12:47,430 --> 02:12:45,760
uncover and remember and and come to

3667
02:12:49,189 --> 02:12:47,440
terms with it

3668
02:12:51,270 --> 02:12:49,199
i realize anyone out there with

3669
02:12:53,030 --> 02:12:51,280
experiences how

3670
02:12:56,069 --> 02:12:53,040
difficult that is

3671
02:12:57,109 --> 02:12:56,079
give yourself time and space to to get

3672
02:12:58,470 --> 02:12:57,119
through it

3673
02:13:00,550 --> 02:12:58,480
um

3674
02:13:02,950 --> 02:13:00,560
it happens to a lot of people like i

3675
02:13:05,109 --> 02:13:02,960
said you know a rope or a roper pole

3676
02:13:06,550 --> 02:13:05,119
that attacked on questions that close to

3677
02:13:09,430 --> 02:13:06,560
four million people in the continental

3678
02:13:11,270 --> 02:13:09,440
us alone and and and you know

3679
02:13:13,030 --> 02:13:11,280
organizations with thousands and tens of

3680
02:13:15,350 --> 02:13:13,040
thousands of cases in their files so

3681
02:13:17,350 --> 02:13:15,360
you're definitely not alone it happens

3682
02:13:19,589 --> 02:13:17,360
to a lot of people

3683
02:13:20,390 --> 02:13:19,599
it's kind of really understood both in

3684
02:13:22,709 --> 02:13:20,400
the

3685
02:13:24,950 --> 02:13:22,719
research community and overall ufology

3686
02:13:25,990 --> 02:13:24,960
too that if you're highly drawn to this

3687
02:13:27,830 --> 02:13:26,000
subject

3688
02:13:30,550 --> 02:13:27,840
and you have a need to like discover and

3689
02:13:33,430 --> 02:13:30,560
know and you know and there's an

3690
02:13:35,270 --> 02:13:33,440
emotional need there it probably means

3691
02:13:36,950 --> 02:13:35,280
you've had experiences

3692
02:13:39,669 --> 02:13:36,960
a lot of people who they get into this

3693
02:13:41,189 --> 02:13:39,679
subject end up discovering there and a

3694
02:13:43,350 --> 02:13:41,199
lot of the major researchers in the

3695
02:13:45,350 --> 02:13:43,360
field know that they're abductees even

3696
02:13:48,310 --> 02:13:45,360
they don't talk about it you know yeah

3697
02:13:49,750 --> 02:13:48,320
and um it but it's it's it's extremely

3698
02:13:51,430 --> 02:13:49,760
common

3699
02:13:53,510 --> 02:13:51,440
you're not alone

3700
02:13:55,990 --> 02:13:53,520
um

3701
02:13:58,149 --> 02:13:56,000
gather your evidence take photos of your

3702
02:14:00,390 --> 02:13:58,159
marks your bruises your scars your

3703
02:14:02,149 --> 02:14:00,400
landing trace evidence the glowing hand

3704
02:14:04,229 --> 02:14:02,159
print in the wall and because there are

3705
02:14:06,550 --> 02:14:04,239
those you know the fluorescence all that

3706
02:14:08,229 --> 02:14:06,560
stuff there's you know so much stuff

3707
02:14:11,189 --> 02:14:08,239
gather your evidence take the photos

3708
02:14:13,270 --> 02:14:11,199
record your witnesses accounts if they

3709
02:14:16,069 --> 02:14:13,280
see the ship or the et or whatever you

3710
02:14:17,030 --> 02:14:16,079
know and

3711
02:14:19,350 --> 02:14:17,040
and

3712
02:14:22,069 --> 02:14:19,360
at least for your sake that will help

3713
02:14:24,390 --> 02:14:22,079
you document your own experiences

3714
02:14:28,830 --> 02:14:24,400
and then if you do go to a researcher an

3715
02:14:32,390 --> 02:14:31,270
any of the above

3716
02:14:33,270 --> 02:14:32,400
and you

3717
02:14:35,189 --> 02:14:33,280
will

3718
02:14:38,229 --> 02:14:35,199
have that for them

3719
02:14:40,470 --> 02:14:38,239
and uh you know like yvonne smith always

3720
02:14:43,030 --> 02:14:40,480
oh are you there okay uh alaska for a

3721
02:14:45,270 --> 02:14:43,040
sec but yvonne smith tells her people

3722
02:14:47,350 --> 02:14:45,280
and so do the other therapists and stuff

3723
02:14:49,669 --> 02:14:47,360
they tell their people

3724
02:14:50,870 --> 02:14:49,679
draw your experiences draw it doesn't

3725
02:14:52,870 --> 02:14:50,880
matter if you're not an artist draw

3726
02:14:55,189 --> 02:14:52,880
stick figures but you know

3727
02:14:56,790 --> 02:14:55,199
make an account you know of of the

3728
02:14:58,550 --> 02:14:56,800
memory while you have it you know

3729
02:14:59,990 --> 02:14:58,560
particularly if you

3730
02:15:01,990 --> 02:15:00,000
have missing time you recall it right

3731
02:15:04,149 --> 02:15:02,000
away or you have the abduction dream or

3732
02:15:07,030 --> 02:15:04,159
whatever you know um

3733
02:15:08,790 --> 02:15:07,040
it's a it's a long process

3734
02:15:10,390 --> 02:15:08,800
and and if there's smoke there's fire if

3735
02:15:11,669 --> 02:15:10,400
you start to have a bunch of the traits

3736
02:15:12,870 --> 02:15:11,679
for an abductee or you have one

3737
02:15:14,870 --> 02:15:12,880
experience

3738
02:15:34,229 --> 02:15:14,880
there's more that's

3739
02:15:38,390 --> 02:15:35,589
do i have you

3740
02:15:40,069 --> 02:15:38,400
yeah okay so even

3741
02:15:41,990 --> 02:15:40,079
the famous stories that you think are

3742
02:15:42,709 --> 02:15:42,000
one time experience

3743
02:15:45,990 --> 02:15:42,719
the

3744
02:15:48,069 --> 02:15:46,000
multiple experiences

3745
02:15:49,589 --> 02:15:48,079
oh vinnie you're you know you always

3746
02:15:50,390 --> 02:15:49,599
say you did you might because you're

3747
02:15:51,510 --> 02:15:50,400
vaping

3748
02:15:53,030 --> 02:15:51,520
um

3749
02:15:55,030 --> 02:15:53,040
that's no problem

3750
02:15:58,149 --> 02:15:55,040
all right yeah i just went on and on

3751
02:16:01,830 --> 02:16:00,069
you guys you know people sometimes get

3752
02:16:03,510 --> 02:16:01,840
mad at me when i laugh about this stuff

3753
02:16:05,030 --> 02:16:03,520
um

3754
02:16:07,109 --> 02:16:05,040
it's like

3755
02:16:09,430 --> 02:16:07,119
you you learn if there's trauma you

3756
02:16:11,750 --> 02:16:09,440
learn to move beyond it you learn it

3757
02:16:13,270 --> 02:16:11,760
like john max said it's a transformative

3758
02:16:14,229 --> 02:16:13,280
experience like whitley says i mean you

3759
02:16:15,990 --> 02:16:14,239
guys

3760
02:16:18,629 --> 02:16:16,000
all those people that have said that

3761
02:16:20,870 --> 02:16:18,639
they're not wrong it is transformative

3762
02:16:23,109 --> 02:16:20,880
you will grow and learn from it and and

3763
02:16:24,310 --> 02:16:23,119
if you are in trauma with it you'll get

3764
02:16:25,990 --> 02:16:24,320
beyond that

3765
02:16:28,069 --> 02:16:26,000
and i've gotten to the point where i

3766
02:16:30,629 --> 02:16:28,079
laugh about it because

3767
02:16:32,790 --> 02:16:30,639
there's there is an absurdity to it

3768
02:16:34,389 --> 02:16:32,800
and it's also kind of my therapy you

3769
02:16:35,349 --> 02:16:34,399
know some people get mad when i do that

3770
02:16:37,429 --> 02:16:35,359
but it's

3771
02:16:39,190 --> 02:16:37,439
it's it's my release it's my therapy

3772
02:16:41,270 --> 02:16:39,200
it's how i deal with it

3773
02:16:44,150 --> 02:16:41,280
and um

3774
02:16:53,830 --> 02:16:47,110
like i said you're not alone

3775
02:16:56,709 --> 02:16:55,349
it's gonna drive me crazy

3776
02:16:59,110 --> 02:16:56,719
oh yeah

3777
02:17:05,030 --> 02:17:01,910
it's coming in and out put out there be

3778
02:17:06,549 --> 02:17:05,040
kind to those who've had experiences

3779
02:17:08,950 --> 02:17:06,559
okay let's pray

3780
02:17:12,830 --> 02:17:08,960
i know man that's crazy i started to say

3781
02:17:16,549 --> 02:17:12,840
be kind to those people who've had

3782
02:17:19,509 --> 02:17:16,559
experiences yeah they're

3783
02:17:21,589 --> 02:17:19,519
that's really frustrating isn't it

3784
02:17:23,669 --> 02:17:21,599
sorry gosh you guys it was fine for a

3785
02:17:26,709 --> 02:17:23,679
long time but okay well that's probably

3786
02:17:28,230 --> 02:17:26,719
a sign we're probably about wrap up time

3787
02:17:29,669 --> 02:17:28,240
vinnie did you have any last question

3788
02:17:30,790 --> 02:17:29,679
for me or anything that you'd like me to

3789
02:17:32,230 --> 02:17:30,800
address

3790
02:17:33,270 --> 02:17:32,240
nothing in particular now but i would

3791
02:17:35,190 --> 02:17:33,280
like to come back and discuss the

3792
02:17:36,549 --> 02:17:35,200
working groups um and again like you

3793
02:17:38,549 --> 02:17:36,559
mentioned with the new group that you're

3794
02:17:40,790 --> 02:17:38,559
forming when if you bring some of those

3795
02:17:42,790 --> 02:17:40,800
guys on and you know we can get a

3796
02:17:44,150 --> 02:17:42,800
message out to more people about what

3797
02:17:46,870 --> 02:17:44,160
you intend to do and what you look like

3798
02:17:48,469 --> 02:17:46,880
sure absolutely anytime i'm i'm very

3799
02:17:50,469 --> 02:17:48,479
happy to do your show

3800
02:17:53,750 --> 02:17:50,479
i'll get a better internet connection i

3801
02:17:57,830 --> 02:17:55,990
oh sorry see there's the delay i started

3802
02:17:59,830 --> 02:17:57,840
to say oh we had the delay because they

3803
02:18:01,429 --> 02:17:59,840
hang up but i'll get a better internet

3804
02:18:03,910 --> 02:18:01,439
connection i promise

3805
02:18:05,429 --> 02:18:03,920
this should not happen it's crazy

3806
02:18:07,750 --> 02:18:05,439
and it's supposed to be good here at the

3807
02:18:11,349 --> 02:18:07,760
center but some i don't know why there's

3808
02:18:12,790 --> 02:18:11,359
a problem so um but uh thank you again

3809
02:18:14,870 --> 02:18:12,800
for having me on

3810
02:18:16,629 --> 02:18:14,880
i really appreciate it i know i yammer

3811
02:18:19,030 --> 02:18:16,639
yammered on you probably had questions

3812
02:18:21,830 --> 02:18:19,040
you throughout the window

3813
02:18:24,549 --> 02:18:21,840
fine honestly i i i prefer it when it's

3814
02:18:27,429 --> 02:18:24,559
organic

3815
02:18:29,429 --> 02:18:27,439
okay good good thank you well that's i i

3816
02:18:31,750 --> 02:18:29,439
enjoyed doing it i'd be happy to come on

3817
02:18:33,509 --> 02:18:31,760
anytime about any of those any of those

3818
02:18:35,589 --> 02:18:33,519
subjects

3819
02:18:37,669 --> 02:18:35,599
that's fantastic thank you so much and

3820
02:18:40,070 --> 02:18:37,679
if i don't speak to you privately before

3821
02:18:42,870 --> 02:18:40,080
have a fantastic christmas as well

3822
02:18:44,870 --> 02:18:42,880
and um yeah enjoy your time yeah yeah

3823
02:18:47,349 --> 02:18:44,880
you too happy holiday

3824
02:18:49,429 --> 02:18:47,359
um uh to everybody out there happy

3825
02:18:53,190 --> 02:18:49,439
holidays merry christmas

3826
02:18:54,709 --> 02:18:53,200
and uh i hope everyone has a a happy and

3827
02:18:57,190 --> 02:18:54,719
safe one for sure

3828
02:18:59,030 --> 02:18:57,200
but again thank you for letting me go on

3829
02:19:00,790 --> 02:18:59,040
and on um

3830
02:19:03,349 --> 02:19:00,800
you know

3831
02:19:06,709 --> 02:19:03,359
it's important that this be included in

3832
02:19:07,990 --> 02:19:06,719
in the discussion at least amongst the

3833
02:19:10,230 --> 02:19:08,000
community

3834
02:19:12,230 --> 02:19:10,240
to know how important it is you guys i

3835
02:19:13,990 --> 02:19:12,240
didn't say this or maybe i did i can't

3836
02:19:15,669 --> 02:19:14,000
remember if i did

3837
02:19:19,030 --> 02:19:15,679
you guys

3838
02:19:21,190 --> 02:19:19,040
what is the significant evidence

3839
02:19:24,230 --> 02:19:21,200
for what the ets are doing

3840
02:19:25,750 --> 02:19:24,240
okay when you go to

3841
02:19:27,270 --> 02:19:25,760
okay you know like they're saying oh

3842
02:19:28,790 --> 02:19:27,280
they're here you know disclosure oh we

3843
02:19:30,549 --> 02:19:28,800
have craft oh they're involving the

3844
02:19:32,790 --> 02:19:30,559
military okay

3845
02:19:33,669 --> 02:19:32,800
who's flying them and why are they here

3846
02:19:34,950 --> 02:19:33,679
we just

3847
02:19:37,270 --> 02:19:34,960
we haven't addressed who's flying them

3848
02:19:39,110 --> 02:19:37,280
yet okay so we'll get into that

3849
02:19:42,070 --> 02:19:39,120
but then when you go whoever that is

3850
02:19:43,750 --> 02:19:42,080
they're not us and they're not from here

3851
02:19:45,990 --> 02:19:43,760
they're not from here physical right you

3852
02:19:48,950 --> 02:19:46,000
know so whether they're interdimensional

3853
02:19:51,349 --> 02:19:48,960
interplanetary interstellar from

3854
02:19:53,110 --> 02:19:51,359
originally from somewhere else like like

3855
02:19:55,349 --> 02:19:53,120
uh

3856
02:19:58,790 --> 02:19:55,359
rich dolan was just saying in that in

3857
02:20:01,510 --> 02:19:58,800
that panel today with ryan and ian doley

3858
02:20:02,950 --> 02:20:01,520
okay that okay we're you know were they

3859
02:20:05,429 --> 02:20:02,960
originally from somewhere else and then

3860
02:20:06,710 --> 02:20:05,439
came and set up shop here whether that

3861
02:20:08,070 --> 02:20:06,720
was another dimension or under the

3862
02:20:08,870 --> 02:20:08,080
oceans or whatever

3863
02:20:11,750 --> 02:20:08,880
yeah

3864
02:20:14,389 --> 02:20:11,760
you know regardless they're not us so we

3865
02:20:15,750 --> 02:20:14,399
can agree there right it's not us unless

3866
02:20:18,309 --> 02:20:15,760
it's us in the future but that's not us

3867
02:20:20,429 --> 02:20:18,319
now and that's not us here okay so those

3868
02:20:22,230 --> 02:20:20,439
things too so we go case not us

3869
02:20:25,190 --> 02:20:22,240
extraterrestrial means more than the

3870
02:20:29,349 --> 02:20:25,200
earth so the term still applies okay

3871
02:20:31,590 --> 02:20:29,359
it's more than okay but then you go okay

3872
02:20:34,070 --> 02:20:31,600
well once we get into the fact that they

3873
02:20:35,270 --> 02:20:34,080
exist then you get into why are they

3874
02:20:38,070 --> 02:20:35,280
here

3875
02:20:40,790 --> 02:20:38,080
well the number one piece of evidence or

3876
02:20:42,550 --> 02:20:40,800
statistical data for what they are doing

3877
02:20:44,469 --> 02:20:42,560
when they're here other than cruising

3878
02:20:47,590 --> 02:20:44,479
around in the sky

3879
02:20:49,990 --> 02:20:47,600
when you really go to brass tacks pierce

3880
02:20:51,510 --> 02:20:50,000
stats peer statistics

3881
02:20:53,270 --> 02:20:51,520
the only place where there's a ton of

3882
02:20:56,950 --> 02:20:53,280
evidence that suggests they're doing

3883
02:20:58,550 --> 02:20:56,960
something here is abductions

3884
02:21:01,110 --> 02:20:58,560
you could say yeah there's cater

3885
02:21:03,270 --> 02:21:01,120
mutilations sure there's crop circles

3886
02:21:05,110 --> 02:21:03,280
sure there's military encounters sure

3887
02:21:06,469 --> 02:21:05,120
there's crash drips

3888
02:21:07,910 --> 02:21:06,479
you go to everything the numbers are

3889
02:21:09,429 --> 02:21:07,920
this big

3890
02:21:11,270 --> 02:21:09,439
and even though there's a lot it can

3891
02:21:13,510 --> 02:21:11,280
okay maybe they're this big

3892
02:21:15,270 --> 02:21:13,520
but the place where the numbers get this

3893
02:21:17,429 --> 02:21:15,280
big

3894
02:21:19,830 --> 02:21:17,439
is when you look at the abductees the

3895
02:21:21,190 --> 02:21:19,840
abductions and the evidence for it

3896
02:21:22,550 --> 02:21:21,200
so that is a

3897
02:21:24,309 --> 02:21:22,560
even though they are doing other things

3898
02:21:26,230 --> 02:21:24,319
here too that is a significant thing

3899
02:21:28,790 --> 02:21:26,240
that they are doing here that's why

3900
02:21:29,910 --> 02:21:28,800
abductions matter it gets into why are

3901
02:21:31,429 --> 02:21:29,920
they here

3902
02:21:32,790 --> 02:21:31,439
and then what are abductions about while

3903
02:21:35,190 --> 02:21:32,800
they're about many things but they're

3904
02:21:37,349 --> 02:21:35,200
predominantly the statistics are still

3905
02:21:39,670 --> 02:21:37,359
true predominantly about the creation of

3906
02:21:40,870 --> 02:21:39,680
hybrids

3907
02:21:42,630 --> 02:21:40,880
and you go why are they crying the

3908
02:21:44,870 --> 02:21:42,640
hybrids i was just in a movie

3909
02:21:45,670 --> 02:21:44,880
extraordinary the revelations all about

3910
02:21:47,110 --> 02:21:45,680
this

3911
02:21:48,150 --> 02:21:47,120
very question

3912
02:21:50,150 --> 02:21:48,160
okay

3913
02:21:51,030 --> 02:21:50,160
a lot of controversial things there sure

3914
02:21:52,630 --> 02:21:51,040
but

3915
02:21:54,389 --> 02:21:52,640
regardless

3916
02:21:57,190 --> 02:21:54,399
this is what they're doing this is what

3917
02:21:59,349 --> 02:21:57,200
that this is what the evidence shows

3918
02:22:01,830 --> 02:21:59,359
they're here doing

3919
02:22:03,590 --> 02:22:01,840
that's why it matters and that's why it

3920
02:22:05,429 --> 02:22:03,600
matters because those involved in the

3921
02:22:07,510 --> 02:22:05,439
disclosure stuff are going to start

3922
02:22:09,349 --> 02:22:07,520
asking whether it's the media whether

3923
02:22:10,870 --> 02:22:09,359
it's the public whether it's

3924
02:22:12,790 --> 02:22:10,880
government officials whoever they're

3925
02:22:15,190 --> 02:22:12,800
going to say

3926
02:22:17,110 --> 02:22:15,200
why are they here what are they doing

3927
02:22:19,429 --> 02:22:17,120
and when this comes up as one of the

3928
02:22:22,469 --> 02:22:19,439
things they're doing

3929
02:22:24,230 --> 02:22:22,479
there could be a lot of reactions to it

3930
02:22:26,469 --> 02:22:24,240
not all of them positive

3931
02:22:28,469 --> 02:22:26,479
you know and that's that's why that's

3932
02:22:30,790 --> 02:22:28,479
why i felt like we need to start that

3933
02:22:32,389 --> 02:22:30,800
thing but you guys just bottom line here

3934
02:22:33,830 --> 02:22:32,399
is know that people that have gone

3935
02:22:35,270 --> 02:22:33,840
through this have gone a lot it's

3936
02:22:36,389 --> 02:22:35,280
emotionally difficult it's very

3937
02:22:37,670 --> 02:22:36,399
isolating

3938
02:22:39,510 --> 02:22:37,680
be kind

3939
02:22:40,950 --> 02:22:39,520
listen to them

3940
02:22:43,670 --> 02:22:40,960
be allowing

3941
02:22:45,429 --> 02:22:43,680
don't prejudge people

3942
02:22:47,510 --> 02:22:45,439
you know

3943
02:22:49,510 --> 02:22:47,520
an abductees have your evidence ready

3944
02:22:51,190 --> 02:22:49,520
because it's going to be needed

3945
02:22:52,309 --> 02:22:51,200
thank you

3946
02:22:53,590 --> 02:22:52,319
no that's but that's the thing that's

3947
02:22:55,190 --> 02:22:53,600
the thing no matter what we talk about

3948
02:22:56,630 --> 02:22:55,200
in this subject i think

3949
02:22:58,070 --> 02:22:56,640
you know

3950
02:22:59,990 --> 02:22:58,080
the one thing we can all do is just

3951
02:23:02,070 --> 02:23:00,000
listen be kind we don't need to mark or

3952
02:23:03,110 --> 02:23:02,080
ridicule it's been going on for long

3953
02:23:05,990 --> 02:23:03,120
enough so

3954
02:23:08,309 --> 02:23:06,000
yeah i i second that

3955
02:23:09,910 --> 02:23:08,319
yeah absolutely absolutely

3956
02:23:10,790 --> 02:23:09,920
it's hard to go through this it's really

3957
02:23:11,750 --> 02:23:10,800
hard

3958
02:23:13,750 --> 02:23:11,760
you know

3959
02:23:15,830 --> 02:23:13,760
yeah yeah completely

3960
02:23:17,590 --> 02:23:15,840
well um yeah well thank you again i've

3961
02:23:18,950 --> 02:23:17,600
got a couple of announcements um

3962
02:23:20,790 --> 02:23:18,960
actually i'm just gonna i missed a

3963
02:23:23,030 --> 02:23:20,800
couple of uh things in the comments i'll

3964
02:23:24,870 --> 02:23:23,040
do that megan t i've just had to scroll

3965
02:23:26,309 --> 02:23:24,880
back up thank you for the super stick i

3966
02:23:28,230 --> 02:23:26,319
really appreciate it

3967
02:23:29,670 --> 02:23:28,240
megan t again thank you for for the

3968
02:23:32,389 --> 02:23:29,680
membership

3969
02:23:34,150 --> 02:23:32,399
um it's so hard trying to

3970
02:23:35,429 --> 02:23:34,160
keep my eye on everything

3971
02:23:37,349 --> 02:23:35,439
uh thomas

3972
02:23:39,110 --> 02:23:37,359
uh thank you for the five dollars thomas

3973
02:23:41,030 --> 02:23:39,120
another great show join me in supporting

3974
02:23:41,990 --> 02:23:41,040
disclosure team vinnie thank you so much

3975
02:23:43,830 --> 02:23:42,000
my man

3976
02:23:45,429 --> 02:23:43,840
that's great and thank you to everyone

3977
02:23:47,590 --> 02:23:45,439
that's been lively in the chat tonight

3978
02:23:49,429 --> 02:23:47,600
you know i'm sorry i don't get to like

3979
02:23:50,870 --> 02:23:49,439
read through every single comment and

3980
02:23:53,110 --> 02:23:50,880
and that there's always so much going on

3981
02:23:55,110 --> 02:23:53,120
but i appreciate you all being here and

3982
02:23:56,790 --> 02:23:55,120
thank you everybody for listening

3983
02:23:59,270 --> 02:23:56,800
yeah it really is it really means a lot

3984
02:24:01,670 --> 02:23:59,280
and i really do appreciate it and so

3985
02:24:03,750 --> 02:24:01,680
thank you um i'm gonna be back one more

3986
02:24:06,150 --> 02:24:03,760
time before christmas this tuesday uh

3987
02:24:09,670 --> 02:24:06,160
the 21st of december the same time as

3988
02:24:12,150 --> 02:24:09,680
tonight 12 p.m pacific 3 p.m eastern 8

3989
02:24:14,469 --> 02:24:12,160
p.m uh in the uk and i'm going to be

3990
02:24:17,990 --> 02:24:14,479
joined by a good friend of mine mr

3991
02:24:22,070 --> 02:24:18,000
ashley cowy now ashley is a scottish

3992
02:24:24,550 --> 02:24:22,080
author historian explorer television

3993
02:24:26,550 --> 02:24:24,560
presenter and producer who currently

3994
02:24:28,550 --> 02:24:26,560
resides in colombia and is now getting

3995
02:24:30,630 --> 02:24:28,560
involved with the uap phenomenon so

3996
02:24:32,389 --> 02:24:30,640
please please come check me out on

3997
02:24:33,750 --> 02:24:32,399
tuesday with ashley because

3998
02:24:35,270 --> 02:24:33,760
it's going to be a great conversation

3999
02:24:37,510 --> 02:24:35,280
and we may have a little bit of an

4000
02:24:39,190 --> 02:24:37,520
announcement as as well so

4001
02:24:40,230 --> 02:24:39,200
yeah that'd be great i'd love to see you

4002
02:24:41,910 --> 02:24:40,240
all there

4003
02:24:43,270 --> 02:24:41,920
so yeah thanks again melinda if you just

4004
02:24:45,590 --> 02:24:43,280
hang on we can have a little two-minute

4005
02:24:48,070 --> 02:24:45,600
chat afterwards um but again thank you

4006
02:24:50,630 --> 02:24:48,080
everyone enjoy your day evening wherever